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Blackpowderduelist

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Red flag 3 tells us that our understanding of what Jesus said is wrong, (regardless of the 2000 year history and tradition of christianity)
Then replaces our understanding with his interpretation.
 
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pottersclay

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CS1 said:
I don't want to result in name-calling and suggesting one is an"anti-semitism", however, I do believe you did pray yet, you still can be mistaken God is not :). No Jesus did not start a " new religion" HE brought new life Eternal life. Guess what, the law never did that.
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Agreed........ the law had no escape. Break one break them all that was the burden.
Anti-semitism comes in many forms and to reject because it is Jewish per-say is a form of it.
I believe the church has missed out on a great deal of understanding keeping the hebrew text out of the new testament. That's why we have these scripture wars that lead to nothing.
Martin luther himself became anti-Semitic at the end of his ministry. That's how Satan creeps in.
The lord said I will bless those that bless you but curse him that curse you.
The gentiles of old we're kept out in the outer court. Jesus changed all that now we can all enter in.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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SophieT said:
He never said he was a believer. The opposite in fact. I'm puzzled
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He said he did not believe in Jesus, he just wanted to look at the NT to answer questions he had gotten
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
The first red flag is a Jewish man comes to aid Christians to understand who Jesus is, while not believing in him as anything more than a historical person.
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Flaw number 1 - He never said that was his purpose.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Second red flag, tells us what our understanding of Jesus is (imposing on us a wrong understanding), and then knocks that understanding down and replaces it with the one he wants us to have.
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Since your red flag number one is in error, this one follows suit,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#46
Blackpowderduelist said:
Red flag 3 tells us that our understanding of what Jesus said is wrong, (regardless of the 2000 year history and tradition of christianity)
Then replaces our understanding with his interpretation.
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See my last two posts

next...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#47
#47
pottersclay said:
Agreed........ the law had no escape. Break one break them all that was the burden.
Anti-semitism comes in many forms and to reject because it is Jewish per-say is a form of it.
I believe the church has missed out on a great deal of understanding keeping the hebrew text out of the new testament. That's why we have these scripture wars that lead to nothing.
Martin luther himself became anti-Semitic at the end of his ministry. That's how Satan creeps in.
The lord said I will bless those that bless you but curse him that curse you.
The gentiles of old we're kept out in the outer court. Jesus changed all that now we can all enter in.
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I agree, but what church wants to keep the OT out, never heard of this or been to one
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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I believe he is right about the name of our God.
The age is upon us when we must identify our God by name. He is YHVH. Yehovah
We cannot allow ourselves to be convinced he is the same god the Muslims or the Hindus worship.

"Muslims worship god too" "Jesus is in the Koran too" "Just bow to the Islamic prayer call, it's the same god"

We will hear this more & more. We must know our God by name.
 
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SophieT

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My conclusion. I'm not worried about it and I think the red flags are not justified.

No one said Christians need to follow the law. In fact, the differences between the actual law and Pharisee interpretations or oral traditions , tie in nicely with Jesus words to those same 'teachers' of the law.

If the Jews believe Jesus started a new religion, then as Christians we know that is not so, and as the man in the video does not identify as Christian, why is this earth shattering news?

Frankly, I would be far more concerned with certain Christian teachers who are just as bad as the Pharisees and teach their own traditions and call it the Bible.

Not getting in a huff over this one ;)
 
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SophieT

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Red flag 3 tells us that our understanding of what Jesus said is wrong, (regardless of the 2000 year history and tradition of christianity)
Then replaces our understanding with his interpretation.
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Huh. I understood him to say that in Greek the subtleties of the Jewish language are lost. Hearing them as originally spoken and knowing the play on words really actually gives better understanding.

As I have understanding in 3 languages (only totally fluent in English) I can attest to the fact that saying something in English, translated from one of the other languages, you loose the subtler meaning which renders what is said flat. While those are my words, that is what I understood him to say.

Excuse me powder, but I did not have the impression he was trying to replace anything. The original intent is lost at times in the English translation without a doubt. I don't find that scary or alarmist and it is just a simple fact.

Actually, I knew this already. shrugs
 
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SophieT

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eternally-gratefull said:
He said he did not believe in Jesus, he just wanted to look at the NT to answer questions he had gotten
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Right. So who knows, maybe he will come to believe in his Messiah. Stranger things have happened. He is also involved with Messianics and those folks can be quite contagious.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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#53
#53
Lucy-Pevensie said:
I believe he is right about the name of our God.
The age is upon us when we must identify our God by name. He is YHVH. Yehovah
We cannot allow ourselves to be convinced he is the same god the Muslims or the Hindus worship.

"Muslims worship god too" "Jesus is in the Koran too" "Just bow to the Islamic prayer call, it's the same god"

We will hear this more & more. We must know our God by name.
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eternally-gratefull

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#54
#54
SophieT said:
Right. So who knows, maybe he will come to believe in his Messiah. Stranger things have happened. He is also involved with Messianics and those folks can be quite contagious.
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He could easily be like a man named saul
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Satan didn't say his purpose was to cause Eve to die either. A thief and a liar don't tell ya what they are up to.
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Whatever dude

good luck

i am sick of playing games with people who think they know it all
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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eternally-gratefull said:
Whatever dude

good luck

i am sick of playing games with people who think they know it all
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No thank you. I don't need luck. And I ain't no dude. Nor do I play games. No one told you you can't believe what ever you want.
When I see a snake, I'm gonna call it a snake. You can pet it of ya like.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
No thank you. I don't need luck. And I ain't no dude. Nor do I play games. No one told you you can't believe what ever you want.
When I see a snake, I'm gonna call it a snake. You can pet it of ya like.
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Yeah you do need luck, and you are playing games

it is obvious the man in the video is not saved,

that does not give you the right to slander him with a false truth,

when You slander people that makes you a snake!
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yeah you do need luck, and you are playing games

it is obvious the man in the video is not saved,

that does not give you the right to slander him with a false truth,

when You slander people that makes you a snake!
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And there is the personal insult.
No need to let pride and hurt feelings cause you to double down an resort to insults.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
And there is the personal insult.
No need to let pride and hurt feelings cause you to double down an resort to insults.
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so it’s ok fr you to call someone a snake. But if someone calls you one it’s insulting?

do as I say not as I do is your way huh?

they have a name for that

ps, I did not call you a na,e, I said if you do something that makes you a snake. I guess you admitted to what I said.

way to go
 
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