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Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Of those that were raised, what were they raised to?
 
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And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, of those that do awake, some of them will be raised to everlasting life but some of them that were raised from the dead were raised to shame and everlasting contempt.
 

Magenta

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And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these
to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.


The word all is not there as you say.
Let's have the context :)

Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

The these clearly refers to God's people being raised to everlasting life... and the others, not.
 
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NASB - all who rose from the dead rose to everlasting life.
KJV - some who rose from the dead rose to everlasting life BUT some who rose from the dead rose to everlasting contempt.

Two completely different resurrections
 

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NASB - all who rose from the dead rose to everlasting life.
KJV - some who rose from the dead rose to everlasting life BUT some who rose from the dead rose to everlasting contempt.

Two completely different resurrections
You are inserting the all. Look at the context. "These" refers to God's people only.

I am quoting Daniel 2 verbatim. Is that what you are attempting to quote?
 

Dino246

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All bible version are not equal and this is a prime example.

Daniel 12:2
King James Version

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

In the KJV many that sleep in the ground shall awake. Of those that awake, some of them will be raised to eternal life and some to everlasting contempt.

In the NASB many that sleep in the ground shall awake. And those that awake will be raised to everlasting life but the others who didn't awake, they will be will be raised at ANOTHER TIME to everlasting contempt.

Two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT messages. Which one is right?
Your post is another in a long line of KJV-only arguments that take verses out of context.

Daniel 12:1 (NASB) clearly identifies "these" as "everyone who is found in the book of life". In other words, there is no contradiction. The wording over the two verses is clear.

"Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

Next time, don't build your argument on a paraphrase of a verse which is missing its context.
 
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You are inserting the all. Look at the context. "These" refers to God's people only.
When I say all I'm talking about all who were raised from the dead. There were some that were not raised from the dead.
 
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Your post is another in a long line of KJV-only arguments that take verses out of context.

Daniel 12:1 (NASB) clearly identifies "these" as "everyone who is found in the book of life". In other words, there is no contradiction. The wording over the two verses is clear.

"Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

Next time, don't build your argument on a paraphrase of a verse which is missing its context.
I don't dispute what the NASB is saying that's exactly what I'm pointing out. The NASB teaches a completely different resurrection than the KJV.
 
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Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
The people are delivered period.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
When God's people were delivered, many of them that were in the dust of the earth were raised. Some of them were raised were raised to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.
 

Magenta

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Well to you it does because you're reading from the NASB.
Of course I am! It is the one you keep saying is wrong, and has a different
resurrection when it does not. You simply turn a blind eye to the context,
and repeatedly insert a word that isn't there as if that proves your point :censored:
 
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Of course I am! It is the one you keep saying is wrong, and has a different
resurrection when it does not. You simply turn a blind eye to the context,
and repeatedly insert a word that isn't there as if that proves your point :censored:
I'm not turning a blind eye to context. The context is the resurrection of Christ. That is the day when all who were written in the book of life were delivered, the day our sins were forgiven. It's the day that many of the OT saints rose and walked the streets of Jerusalem. It's the day when all those who died in the past were raised, some of them were raised to eternal life and some were raised to eternal damnation.

Besides that, the KJV says that of those who rose from the dead, some of them were raised to eternal life and some were raised to eternal contempt.
 
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I think I have discovered something here. People who read multiple translation have built up a belief system. So when you come at KJV verses with that bias, you ignore the wording of the KJV and refer back to another translation that says the things that line up with your beliefs.

So when the KJV says some of those that were raised were raised to eternal life and some that were raised were raised to eternal damnation, you ignore those words and default to the understanding you got from other bibles and say that's what the KJV says too.
 

Magenta

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I'm not turning a blind eye to context. The context is the resurrection of Christ. That is the day when all who were written in the book of life were delivered, the day our sins were forgiven. It's the day that many of the OT saints rose and walked the streets of Jerusalem. It's the day when all those who died in the past were raised, some of them were raised to eternal life and some were raised to eternal damnation.

Besides that, the KJV says that of those who rose from the dead, some of them were raised to eternal life and some were raised to eternal contempt.
The context of "these" referring to God's people, NOT the "all" you keep inserting that isn't there.

The NASB says the same thing: the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

I don't know why you can't see it. There are none so blind etc etc.

Have a good day :)
 
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Not picking on Magenta but when Magenta realized that the KJV did actually say something different than the NASB, she immediately changed the argument from the plain reading of the text to context.
 

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A KJV may be a classic translation. But it is akin to using a chariot in the Indy 500
 

Dino246

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I think I have discovered something here. People who read multiple translation have built up a belief system. So when you come at KJV verses with that bias, you ignore the wording of the KJV and refer back to another translation that says the things that line up with your beliefs.
People who only read the KJV are guilty of EXACTLY the same thing.