If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?
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Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
If you want to fuss with this you just don't want to know the truth, and Satan wants you to take other people with you to the wrong place, unless repent and keep GOD's commandments, it it A requirement, and these verses tells us so,
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
If you want to fuss with this you just don't want to know the truth, and Satan wants you to take other people with you to the wrong place, unless repent and keep GOD's commandments, it it A requirement, and these verses tells us so,
Jesus said, "A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another."
John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 15:17
This is My command to you: Love one another.
1 John 3:11
This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son,
Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.
Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.
Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 15:17
This is My command to you: Love one another.
1 John 3:11
This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son,
Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.
Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.
Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
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Amen! 
What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.
The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:
What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.
The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:
Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13)
According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34)
This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)
Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)
From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:- To believe in Jesus Christ
- To love one another
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Amen!
What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.
The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction."20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:
What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.
The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction."20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:
Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13)
According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34)
This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)
Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas}abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)
From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:- To believe in Jesus Christ
- To love one another
ah, language. the thing that so many ignore.
they just throw out words with no idea as to what they mean..
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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!And it is not saying that they will make it to Heaven, But the ones that are in HEAVEN, are saying that you are worse, on earth, and that means worse then the sinners to!!! because what you are teaching will cause A very grate number be lost, and that is WHY YESUAH says
REV 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!And it is not saying that they will make it to Heaven, But the ones that are in HEAVEN, are saying that you are worse, on earth, and that means worse then the sinners to!!! because what you are teaching will cause A very grate number be lost, and that is WHY YESUAH says
REV 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
sure.
but that's not really answering my question, at all.
when people attacked Him for working on the sabbath, He said, My Father is always working, and I too work.
what kind of answer is that?
and in another place, people accost Him because His disciples are working on the sabbath. He replies that the priests desecrate every sabbath in the temple by doing what the law requires them to do, and that David and his men did what is flatly contrary to the law by eating the shewbread - yet both are innocent.
what kind of answer is that?
but that's not really answering my question, at all.
when people attacked Him for working on the sabbath, He said, My Father is always working, and I too work.
what kind of answer is that?
and in another place, people accost Him because His disciples are working on the sabbath. He replies that the priests desecrate every sabbath in the temple by doing what the law requires them to do, and that David and his men did what is flatly contrary to the law by eating the shewbread - yet both are innocent.
what kind of answer is that?
Who is saying that? 1 John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not "keep" (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. This is not old covenant law.
All we are saying is that we are not under the old covenant law. Now what do you believe it means to "KEEP" God's commandments? You sound very confident that you have sufficiently kept God's commandments and will receive eternal life based on the merits of doing so.
All we are saying is that we are not under the old covenant law. Now what do you believe it means to "KEEP" God's commandments? You sound very confident that you have sufficiently kept God's commandments and will receive eternal life based on the merits of doing so.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!And it is not saying that they will make it to Heaven, But the ones that are in HEAVEN, are saying that you are worse, on earth, and that means worse then the sinners to!!! because what you are teaching will cause A very grate number be lost, and that is WHY YESUAH says
REV 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
This is what you all is DOING that tell people that they DON'T haft to KEEP GOD's Commandments!!!And it is not saying that they will make it to Heaven, But the ones that are in HEAVEN, are saying that you are worse, on earth, and that means worse then the sinners to!!! because what you are teaching will cause A very grate number be lost, and that is WHY YESUAH says
REV 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.