If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

calibob · Dec 5, 2020

Thanks, I needed that. I've done some studying myself. I'm quite aware that The sabbath day was changed as was Christmas and Easter also. I worship the Lord and, as we believe so shall we be judged If someone innocently overlooks any law or is deceived to do so, they that are in Christ are already forgiven. If a person with knowledge does it, repents, and asks for forgiveness. They also are as if, it never happened. The law givers don't realize that putting someone back under the law is a curse against both of them

TMS · Dec 5, 2020

calibob said:

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Yes. I understand what you both are saying. I however think that you missed my point.

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Every day we should pray, keep Holy, offer praise, thanks and take time to meditate on his word. If I leave hom I take him and his word in my heart and mind. Every opportunity that I have in conversation his word comes out of my mouth. Everybody I know, knows that I'm a Christian. When I do fail I ask for forgiveness and when I realize that I've been wrong I promptly admit it to God and anyone that has to do with whatever I've done. I realize that he is with me 24/7. I don't leave Christiaity at home when I leave. I wish that he'd take me but I'm grateful that he allows me to share about him, every day. I don't set aside 1 day a week for him, I set aside 7
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Thats all great. but your missing the point. Your making the Sabbath void by making all days the same.
The Sabbath is not meant to be the same as every other day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God is Holy and every day was a the same in Time but God didn't work on the 7th day and asked us not to work on that day. God sanctified that day not the other 6 but that one day was set aside and blessed. If we all rested on every day and did no work seven days each week we would not live in a practical world.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Being holy and close to God is great but obeying the 4th commandment is good as well. Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

calibob · Dec 5, 2020

TMS said:

Yes. I understand what you both are saying. I however think that you missed my point.

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Every day we should pray, keep Holy, offer praise, thanks and take time to meditate on his word. If I leave hom I take him and his word in my heart and mind. Every opportunity that I have in conversation his word comes out of my mouth. Everybody I know, knows that I'm a Christian. When I do fail I ask for forgiveness and when I realize that I've been wrong I promptly admit it to God and anyone that has to do with whatever I've done. I realize that he is with me 24/7. I don't leave Christiaity at home when I leave. I wish that he'd take me but I'm grateful that he allows me to share about him, every day. I don't set aside 1 day a week for him, I set aside 7
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Thats all great. but your missing the point. Your making the Sabbath void by making all days the same.
The Sabbath is not meant to be the same as every other day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God is Holy and every day was a the same in Time but God didn't work on the 7th day and asked us not to work on that day. God sanctified that day not the other 6 but that one day was set aside and blessed. If we all rested on every day and did no work seven days each week we would not live in a practical world.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Being holy and close to God is great but obeying the 4th commandment is good as well. Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.[/QUOTE]
Ok, please just stop. I figured out my own Salvation in fear and trembling long ago. I figured out which denominational doctrine fell in line with what I came to believe by studying the Word more recently. You're not going to convince me to get in line with the SAD's or any other denominations or cult's.

You obviously don't know what or who your dealing with or how I choose to keep the sabbath day Holy.
I'm retired. No wife or kids in the home. Every day is my day off. I'm also disabled and way below the poverty line.
I rarely leave the home except to buy food or necessary supplies and usually a treat for myself like a burrito and a fruit drink.
For the record' I'm an Evangelical Anabaptist. Evangelism, Salvation and Recovery have been my main subjects of interest and ministry since about 1980. that's when I started to focus on doing what I believe the lord wanted me to do.
You can take your Adventist review, Watchtower, Deseret publications or whatever, down the road. (please) Jesus is Lord. This subject is closed. Have a better night. It's late. Maybe we can discuss something else, another day. Peace!

bud62 · Dec 5, 2020

bud62 said:

The BIBLE says with out the LAW there is NO sin. May I ask what you disagree with ???
Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
We can't transgress if there is no LAW, NO law no sins, and the wages of Sin is death, we do not need A savior if there is no sin.
GOD bless as GOD sees GOOD for you

mailmandan · Dec 5, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

It's very obvious that bud62 is a 7th day Adventist.

bud62 said:

Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

https://nonsda.org/study8.shtml
https://www.exadventist.com/Home/Articles/NationalSundayLaw/tabid/499/Default.aspx

mailmandan · Dec 5, 2020

gb9 said:

God's Word makes it very clear that sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel. The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the ten commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

shittim · Dec 5, 2020

Interesting how the adversary convinces some Christians they need to go back under the Law when Christ freed us from the law 2,000 years ago.
He desires, requires, deserves relationship and not an outward form of holding to legalism.

mailmandan · Dec 5, 2020

gb9 said:

Blackpowderduelist · Dec 5, 2020

This is what I find ironic about all this Sabbath keeping.
1. the Bible says do no ordinary work.
2. Worship is not commanded to be on the Sabbath anywhere. A simple study of the law shows worship commanded on certain days of the year, some where sabbaths some are not.
3 pentecost fell on the day after the Sabbath (that would be the day Peter and the Apostles did all that preaching according to the book of acts)
4 in more than one passage you find them gathering on the first day of the week
5 all these folks who are so condemning about Sabbath worship, don't bother about the command against having graven images. The command is not to have graven images not to make any and not to bow to them. So your not even supposed to have them at all, yet there homes and churches are filled to brim with them. From crosses on the wall to statuary, to photographs, and paintings.
6 they say stuff with out knowing what they are saying about the catholic church, with no church history study at all. Which is bearing false witness.
7 accusing Christians who clearly worship only Jesus of sun god worship is also bearing a false witness.

But I guess as long as you go to church on Saturday (which is not commanded any where in scripture, and according to their logic about sun god worship could be saturn worship saturn was also a Roman god ) you don't have to keep those other commandments.

I guess they also throw out that thing written about sabbaths and new moons and celebrations being shadows of things to come. Colossians 2 and Hebrews 10. But hey I guess we just pick and choose now days

bud62 · Dec 5, 2020

mailmandan said:

They are worshiping the Papacy, when they know that they are breaking GOD'S law, and obeying man's laws over GOD'S laws, when the Sunday laws are enforced, But don't start till the sunday laws Are enforced, But if they die knowing that GOD'S HOLY DAY IS the7th DAY, AND are keeping the Papacy first day of the week, that GOD says is A working day. And walking DEFILLING GOD'S HOLY SABBATH, according to the BIBLE will end up lost, and there is a lot of scriptures that tell us this,
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? very plain
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. very plain !!!
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. very plain.
2 Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
3:18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen very plain also, this also let us know that we will be lost if we fall, unless we repent again again, and start keeping GOD'S laws, GOD bless all as GOD sees GOOD for you all.

bud62 · Dec 5, 2020

mailmandan said:

The Sabbath was way before Israel, and they were Gentiles !!!

KJV1611 · Dec 5, 2020

bud62 said:

Why is the sabbath so important to 7th day people?

bud62 · Dec 5, 2020

bud62 said:

They are worshiping the Papacy, when they know that they are breaking GOD'S law, and obeying man's laws over GOD'S laws, when the Sunday laws are enforced, But don't start till the sunday laws Are enforced, But if they die knowing that GOD'S HOLY DAY IS the7th DAY, AND are keeping the Papacy first day of the week, that GOD says is A working day. And walking DEFILLING GOD'S HOLY SABBATH, according to the BIBLE will end up lost, and there is a lot of scriptures that tell us this,
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? very plain
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. very plain !!!
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. very plain.
2 Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
3:18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen very plain also, this also let us know that we will be lost if we fall, unless we repent again again, and start keeping GOD'S laws, GOD bless all as GOD sees GOOD for you all.

Well I'm going to a 7th day Church of GOD, BUT I believe that the Seveneth DAY Adventist, teach closer to the BIBLE then any other Church that I know of, And I do believe most of the doctrines of the S.D.A. Church, But not All.
PRAISE GOD and Hallelujah to YESUAH ALSO.

mailmandan · Dec 5, 2020

bud62 said:

Now if every man from Adam to Moses kept the sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly sabbath found in the ten commandments never found in the book of Genesis? Why was no one before Moses ever told to keep the sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the sabbath, but were instructed regarding: Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars: Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10; Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses? Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Once again, nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

mailmandan · Dec 5, 2020

KJV1611 said:

It's very important because it's obviously a salvation issue for them. Here is an example below of it being a salvation issue from a former member of Christian Chat who is a Seventh-day Adventist. He once made this statement to me below:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. -- (Galatians 1:6-9)

This former member is now terrorizing a different Christian forum with his perverted SDA gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" and has recently started a new thread there entitled -- "WHY THE LAW IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL"

bud62 · Dec 5, 2020

KJV1611 said:

Because GOD sanctified it and bless it, which means GOD sit it apart for HOLY USE, A day that is A memorial OF GOD'S CREATION.
And IT'S GOD'S Commandment TO keep it HOLY,
EX 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [ THANK GOD that he has reviled it to ME, And those that HE gives the understanding of it]
56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.
56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Magenta · Dec 5, 2020

bud62 said:

The law is written on our hearts.

I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds... Romans 10:16b

Magenta · Dec 5, 2020

mailmandan said:

It's very important because it's obviously a salvation issue for them. Here is an example below of it being a salvation issue from a former member of Christian Chat who is a Seventh-day Adventist. He once made this statement to me below:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. -- (Galatians 1:6-9)

This former member is now terrorizing a different Christian forum with his perverted SDA gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" and has recently started a new thread there entitled -- "WHY THE LAW IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL"

Romans 10:4

bud62 · Dec 5, 2020

mailmandan said:

Yes and he is right, THE commandments ARE our part of THE NEW covenant, the laws that GOD writes on OUR hearts,

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. HE is right,
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The reason that this Church does not have BLUE is blue is GOD'S commandments and this church has done away with them,

KJV1611 · Dec 5, 2020

bud62 said:

Because GOD sanctified it and bless it, which means GOD sit it apart for HOLY USE, A day that is A memorial OF GOD'S CREATION.
And IT'S GOD'S Commandment TO keep it HOLY,
EX 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [ THANK GOD that he has reviled it to ME, And those that HE gives the understanding of it]
56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.
56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

The sabbath was for the Jews under the Old Covenant, why would anybody under the covenant of grace want to put themselves under the bondage that the Jews were under?

If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

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