If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?
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I was not referring specifically to anyone but about innocent and unassuming characteristic of all believers ("babes").
I am just pointing at the absurdity - in my opinion - of looking into gematria for answers about 666. Gematria is an invention of the learned, the people who were left blind; opposite type of person from the apostles, who were illiterate but given inspired understanding of the Scripture. Not to despise learning or say learning is bad or anything like that, but Jesus did say that Father had hidden divine secrets from the learned and showed them to the babes. For this reason, I just believe that gematria is the wrong place to look, and that these answers will be indiscriminately open to a most unassuming person who follows God and that math/gematria isn't required, otherwise God shows understanding to the learned (head knowledge) and this is opposite to His words,
I am just pointing at the absurdity - in my opinion - of looking into gematria for answers about 666. Gematria is an invention of the learned, the people who were left blind; opposite type of person from the apostles, who were illiterate but given inspired understanding of the Scripture. Not to despise learning or say learning is bad or anything like that, but Jesus did say that Father had hidden divine secrets from the learned and showed them to the babes. For this reason, I just believe that gematria is the wrong place to look, and that these answers will be indiscriminately open to a most unassuming person who follows God and that math/gematria isn't required, otherwise God shows understanding to the learned (head knowledge) and this is opposite to His words,
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The only law that was done away with was the sacrificial laws, the hand writing of Moses,
just like Col in the BIBLE tells us, But the ten commandment laws that YESUAH wrote with HIS finger, in stone, Is our part of our COVENANT, the laws that YESUAH writes ON our HEARTS. There is 2 parts of A covenant, GOD'S part, And our part, which is keeping the Commandments of GOD. THAT is why that Revelation tells us 3 times that they keep the Commandments of GOD , and this means that it is require for HIS saints to keep them. If we do not keep GOD'S commandments , We are breaking our part of the NEW Covenant
just like Col in the BIBLE tells us, But the ten commandment laws that YESUAH wrote with HIS finger, in stone, Is our part of our COVENANT, the laws that YESUAH writes ON our HEARTS. There is 2 parts of A covenant, GOD'S part, And our part, which is keeping the Commandments of GOD. THAT is why that Revelation tells us 3 times that they keep the Commandments of GOD , and this means that it is require for HIS saints to keep them. If we do not keep GOD'S commandments , We are breaking our part of the NEW Covenant
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Colossians 2:14,16,17 - "The law was removed when Jesus died (nailed to His cross). These things, including holy days, were just a shadow of things to come. Therefore, we should allow no one to judge us regarding them. The law cannot be used as authority for holy days because it is no longer binding as law." I didn't write it. Paul did.
First.... i'm sorry for capitalizing god, i made a mistake.
The point i'm making is that sunday worship is a tradition that has it's roots in pagan worship of the sun. It isn't seen that way today because time has made us ignorant to this, but the reason was pagan and it is a tradition followed today.
There is no biblical reason to worship on Sunday, It was not made holy, sanctified and we were not asked to remember it as the holy day of rest. It is tradition.
When God said to Adam and eve that one tree was not to be eaten from. Does that mean i can ignore which tree was pointed out and eat from all trees or no trees. It is worth taking note which day God asked us to keep holy. To say any day will do, or every day is the same or it doesn't matter which day is presumption and we know what presumption has lead to in the past.
Satan set up a counterfeit system in Alexandria and Rome. Alexandria was the place for worldly 'learned men', and was also the place where Jews were compromising with pagan philosophy. The city of Rome was the 'world capital' for paganism, which ended up influencing the church at Rome. Then, an alliance was made between Alexandria and Rome. So what was the result of this? The day of the sun god (Sunday) became the day to honor in place of God's holy 7th day Sabbath. The bishops of Rome come into the picture and from the height of their pedestal of influence, push both the desires of the pagan emperors and the methods of Alexandria's evangelism out to the world. A weekly holiday sacred to the worship of the sun, is honored instead of God's holy 7th day Sabbath.
The point i'm making is that sunday worship is a tradition that has it's roots in pagan worship of the sun. It isn't seen that way today because time has made us ignorant to this, but the reason was pagan and it is a tradition followed today.
There is no biblical reason to worship on Sunday, It was not made holy, sanctified and we were not asked to remember it as the holy day of rest. It is tradition.
When God said to Adam and eve that one tree was not to be eaten from. Does that mean i can ignore which tree was pointed out and eat from all trees or no trees. It is worth taking note which day God asked us to keep holy. To say any day will do, or every day is the same or it doesn't matter which day is presumption and we know what presumption has lead to in the past.
Satan set up a counterfeit system in Alexandria and Rome. Alexandria was the place for worldly 'learned men', and was also the place where Jews were compromising with pagan philosophy. The city of Rome was the 'world capital' for paganism, which ended up influencing the church at Rome. Then, an alliance was made between Alexandria and Rome. So what was the result of this? The day of the sun god (Sunday) became the day to honor in place of God's holy 7th day Sabbath. The bishops of Rome come into the picture and from the height of their pedestal of influence, push both the desires of the pagan emperors and the methods of Alexandria's evangelism out to the world. A weekly holiday sacred to the worship of the sun, is honored instead of God's holy 7th day Sabbath.
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Look at what YESUAH say about Tradition
matthew 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;
matthew 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;
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When you study the purpose of the Sabbath it is a beautiful gift that God has given us. we need to work and we need to do the things in life to stay alive and function in this evil world. The Sabbath is time set aside from these things to spend with our creature and Lord. Time to put aside the everyday things and stresses that can take us away from our Saviour.
If you don't work and spend each day resting that is a blessing for you, it should not be hard to devote that day to God as He has asked.
If you don't work and spend each day resting that is a blessing for you, it should not be hard to devote that day to God as He has asked.
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Rather than having the attitude of every is the same. I choose to believe that every day is Hole because we don't know when he will return we only know that we must be ready. I could probley find dozens of scriptures and Parables to quantify what I just wrote like, oil in our lamps, no man knows the day or the hour, and the 2 burried coins. I think you get my drift.
We do not need Jesus if we do not HAVE the law, THAT means WE can kill steal rap murder, and ABOUT anything else that we can think of. and not sin., and if you do away with the law there is no sinner, THAT is A big big lie of Satan, to try to get GOD's saints to sin, That is about the craziest thing I have heard. though I have heard it before,
It was only the sacrificial laws that was nailed to the cross, NOT the ten commandment laws that YESUAH wrote with HIS own Finger they are our part of the new covenant,
It was only the sacrificial laws that was nailed to the cross, NOT the ten commandment laws that YESUAH wrote with HIS own Finger they are our part of the new covenant,
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There is all kinds of proof that it was the sacrificial laws, if you do away with GOD'S commandments, there wouldn't be no sinners even, we wouldn't even need a savior. sin is why we have the death sentence, If there is no law, that means that there is no sin, and that means that we don't need a savior, That is A lie OF Satan, to try to get GOD'S saints to sin, and break their part of their Covenant with GOD, by sinning
It has been said before .... There are mosaic laws or laws of ordinance that were nailed to the cross including some of the yearly sabbaths, but the Ten commandments were not nailed to the cross.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet ... Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. ....Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul said it not me... Quoted one of the 10 and said it is holy, just, good and spiritual...
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:.... Jesus went on to talk about not Killing and and not committing adultery in the following verses.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
The 10 commandments are a law of liberty....
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet ... Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. ....Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul said it not me... Quoted one of the 10 and said it is holy, just, good and spiritual...
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:.... Jesus went on to talk about not Killing and and not committing adultery in the following verses.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
The 10 commandments are a law of liberty....
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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[QUOTE="bud62, post: 4431432, member: 292893"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE="TMS, post: 4431437, member: 217057"[/QUOTE]
Yes. I understand what you both are saying. I however think that you missed my point.
Every day we should pray, keep Holy, offer praise, thanks and take time to meditate on his word. If I leave hom I take him and his word in my heart and mind. Every opportunity that I have in conversation his word comes out of my mouth. Everybody I know, knows that I'm a Christian. When I do fail I ask for forgiveness and when I realize that I've been wrong I promptly admit it to God and anyone that has to do with whatever I've done. I realize that he is with me 24/7. I don't leave Christiaity at home when I leave. I wish that he'd take me but I'm grateful that he allows me to share about him, every day. I don't set aside 1 day a week for him, I set aside 7
[QUOTE="TMS, post: 4431437, member: 217057"[/QUOTE]
Yes. I understand what you both are saying. I however think that you missed my point.
Every day we should pray, keep Holy, offer praise, thanks and take time to meditate on his word. If I leave hom I take him and his word in my heart and mind. Every opportunity that I have in conversation his word comes out of my mouth. Everybody I know, knows that I'm a Christian. When I do fail I ask for forgiveness and when I realize that I've been wrong I promptly admit it to God and anyone that has to do with whatever I've done. I realize that he is with me 24/7. I don't leave Christiaity at home when I leave. I wish that he'd take me but I'm grateful that he allows me to share about him, every day. I don't set aside 1 day a week for him, I set aside 7
Psalm 1 vs 3-6
3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water, yielding its fruit in season, whose leaf does not wither, and who prospers in all he does. 4 Not so the wicked! For they are like chaff driven off by the wind. 5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. 6 For the LORD guards the path of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.
I've kept the verse in my heart for years. I'm proud and thankful to meditate on his word, more often than most people eat. Every day is sacred. I've been near death to many times to take any day he gives me for granted. I'm grateful every time I share with a doubter, unbeliever, and I'm ecstatic when I see sort of a light go on in somebody's eyes because they came to understand. 3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water, yielding its fruit in season, whose leaf does not wither, and who prospers in all he does. 4 Not so the wicked! For they are like chaff driven off by the wind. 5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. 6 For the LORD guards the path of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.
The question was will you keep Sunday Holy? Of course I will. Is there a day that I should keep unholy?
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This^^^
Funny thing is, we all observe Sabbath. Sabbath was rest for the sake of keeping holy. "One who has entered into His rest..." one cannot "have entered" a weekly ordinance. So the Sabbath has gone nowhere, nor do we think it's gone, it's just not a weekly ordinance now, foreshadow ordinance increased into abiding through the fulfillment of promise. I actually consider Sabbath the cornerstone of my spiritual life. Of course Sabbath is to be kept. We must abide 24/7, and those who have entered don't want to go back. Yet most Adventists will oppose us because they have a differing interpretation of what Sabbath is.
Funny thing is, we all observe Sabbath. Sabbath was rest for the sake of keeping holy. "One who has entered into His rest..." one cannot "have entered" a weekly ordinance. So the Sabbath has gone nowhere, nor do we think it's gone, it's just not a weekly ordinance now, foreshadow ordinance increased into abiding through the fulfillment of promise. I actually consider Sabbath the cornerstone of my spiritual life. Of course Sabbath is to be kept. We must abide 24/7, and those who have entered don't want to go back. Yet most Adventists will oppose us because they have a differing interpretation of what Sabbath is.
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