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Something you need to know, is I do not play by FACE BOOK RULES. I use Colors and Bold Type JUST FOR EMPHASIS. I graduated from High School in 1967. I frequently had a Black Pen, a Red Pen, and a Green Pen in my pocket in High School, and USED them for Emphasis ONLY. So I am not yelling at YOU, it is just my way of showing Emphasis, AND I have never had a FACE BOOK ACCOUT.
I Believe there is NOTHING THAT WE CAN SAY, or DO, or NOT DO; that can PAY for a single SIN.
If you think you can be WITHOUT sin in this body, you need to look at my Post #149,376 .
Heb. 26-31, the other verses you quoted, does not imply PERFECTION, but a WALK that is Directed to STRIVE to Walk like CHRIST. Therefore it is talking about saying to GOD, "No I will not repent of that SIN, and STRIVE to Resist the Temptation, because I like it." No submission to CHRIST, no Guilt, no Confession, just a head Knowledge about Christ, and not a HEART KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST as LORD.
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B. False Faith (Heb. 10:26-39)
10:26-39 See notes on 6:1-8. This warning passage deals with the sin of apostasy, an intentional falling away, or defection. Apostates are those who move toward Christ, hear and understand His gospel, and are on the verge of saving belief, but then rebel and turn away. This warning against apostasy is one of the most serious warnings in all of Scripture. Not all of the Hebrews would respond to the gentle invitation of verses 19-25. Some were already beyond response.
10:26 we. The author is speaking rhetorically. In verse 39, he excludes himself and genuine believers from this category. sin willfully. The Greek term carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual. The sin is rejecting Christ deliberately. These are not isolated acts. According to the Mosaic legislation, such acts of deliberate, premeditated sin required exclusion from the congregation of Israel (cf. Num. 15:30, 31) and from its worship (cf. Ex. 21:14). Such sins also excluded the individual from sanctuary in the cities of refuge (cf. Deut. 19:11-13). knowledge. The Greek term denotes specific knowledge, not general spiritual knowledge (cf. 6:4; cf. 1 Tim. 2:4). Though the knowledge was not defective or incomplete, the application of the knowledge was certainly flawed. Judas Iscariot is a good example of a disciple who had no lack of knowledge, but lacked faith and became the arch-apostate. no longer. See note on 6:6. The apostate is beyond salvation because he has rejected the only sacrifice that can cleanse him from sin and bring him into God’s presence. To turn away from that sacrifice leaves him with no saving alternative. This is parallel to Matthew 12:31 (see note there).
The MacArthur Bible Commentary. :END QUOTE.
YES I BELIEVE FUTURE SINS WERE PAID FOR ON THE CROSS, AND HE WROTE OUR NAMES IN THE BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE TIME BEGAN. How many of Your sins yet FUTURE when CHRIST DIED FOR THEM, and were PAID FOR on the CROSS ? ? ?
I REPEAT: Nothing you can say, or do, or not do; can pay for a single sin.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Galatians 3:13 (HCSB)
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written: Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.
1 John 2:2 (NIV)
2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Did you get that ? ? ? Every SIN in the whole world, was PAID FOR ON THE CROSS, except the SIN of Blaspheming the Work of the Holy Spirit. That is REJECTING the TRUTH that CHRIST PAID IT ALL. That is the only Unforgivable SIN, so everyone that ends up in hell, is there because of that sin. THAT IS WHAT GRACE ACTUALLY IS! See Rom 11:6 above.
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (ASV)
18 But all things are of God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and gave unto us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 Corinthians 7:23 (HCSB)
23 You were bought at a price {the bride price}; do not become slaves of men.
John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
By grace IT WAS ALL PAID IN FULL BY JESUS CHRIST.
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James 2:9-10 (NIV)
9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
1 John 3:14-15 (NCV)
14 We know we have left death and have come into life because we love each other. Whoever does not love is still dead.
15 Everyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderers have eternal life in them.
Matthew 5:28 (HCSB)
28 But I tell you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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Okay. Let's say you commit 20 sins a day, either by thought, word or deed. (And that number is definitely on the low end).
That 140 sins a week, 560 sins a month, 6,720 sins a year, 33,600 every five years, 336,000 sins over a ten year period.
That, my confused friend, is the very definition of habitual.
But let's say you, (by being the super Christian you claim you are) only commit 5 sins a day. Over a one year span, that's 1,600 sins. Over a ten year span, that's 16,800 sins.
And yet, you would still claim you aren't "living" in sin.
Like all hypocrites, you maximize the sins of others while minimizing your own. As much as it galls you, for believers, the sin issue is finished. We have been bought and paid for by Jesus. There isn't s single sin attributed to us - none in our account. They have been taken away. ALL of them. If we die with even a SINGLE sin charged against us, we are on our way to hell. Even if a person only told a single lie in their whole life, that is enough to damn them. (Revelation 21:8).
Why are you trying to finish what is finished? The cross is done with, the resurrection is over. You can't add to that, you can't perfect that, you can't put a cherry on top of that.
We are totally forgiven and totally righteous. NOTHING in all creation (are you created?) can snatch us out of either the Father's hand, or the Lord's. Even when we are faithless, He remains faithful. NOTHING can separate us from the love of Christ. We can NEVER be condemned because there is no condemnation left for us.
NONE.
Yet again, your performance based gospel is designed to keep believers in bondage to the Law. It does little but cause guilt, fear, and uncertainty. It causes believers to live in constant doubt regarding their salvation. There is no rest for their souls. Their burden is never light. There is no freedom for them.
But that's why people like you love it so much. It gives you a certain power over others. It allows you to bask in your own self-righteousness while you put the boot of condemnation on the necks of God's children.
You constantly remind me of the Pharisee in Luke 18 who proclaimed: "God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get."
The sins of pride and self-righteousness permeate your posts. They are soaked, and drip with them.
You can frighten baby Christians, but you have no power here.
That 140 sins a week, 560 sins a month, 6,720 sins a year, 33,600 every five years, 336,000 sins over a ten year period.
That, my confused friend, is the very definition of habitual.
But let's say you, (by being the super Christian you claim you are) only commit 5 sins a day. Over a one year span, that's 1,600 sins. Over a ten year span, that's 16,800 sins.
And yet, you would still claim you aren't "living" in sin.
Like all hypocrites, you maximize the sins of others while minimizing your own. As much as it galls you, for believers, the sin issue is finished. We have been bought and paid for by Jesus. There isn't s single sin attributed to us - none in our account. They have been taken away. ALL of them. If we die with even a SINGLE sin charged against us, we are on our way to hell. Even if a person only told a single lie in their whole life, that is enough to damn them. (Revelation 21:8).
Why are you trying to finish what is finished? The cross is done with, the resurrection is over. You can't add to that, you can't perfect that, you can't put a cherry on top of that.
We are totally forgiven and totally righteous. NOTHING in all creation (are you created?) can snatch us out of either the Father's hand, or the Lord's. Even when we are faithless, He remains faithful. NOTHING can separate us from the love of Christ. We can NEVER be condemned because there is no condemnation left for us.
NONE.
Yet again, your performance based gospel is designed to keep believers in bondage to the Law. It does little but cause guilt, fear, and uncertainty. It causes believers to live in constant doubt regarding their salvation. There is no rest for their souls. Their burden is never light. There is no freedom for them.
But that's why people like you love it so much. It gives you a certain power over others. It allows you to bask in your own self-righteousness while you put the boot of condemnation on the necks of God's children.
You constantly remind me of the Pharisee in Luke 18 who proclaimed: "God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get."
The sins of pride and self-righteousness permeate your posts. They are soaked, and drip with them.
You can frighten baby Christians, but you have no power here.
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Here is J. Vernon McGee's commentary on that Verse. God is not saying that True Christ can be FALSE Christians sometimes, but RATHER, FALSE CHRISTIAN's HE will not treat them as True Christians, but rather EXPOSE them as False Christians. For examples, He has exposed Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as False Christians.
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If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself [2Tim. 2:13].
God "cannot deny himself." He cannot accept as true one who is false. That's the reason He gave such a scathing denunciation of the religious rulers of His day. He called them hypocrites because they were pretending to be something they were not. If Christ accepted someone who was not genuine, He actually would be denying Himself because He is true. Therefore, we should be genuine, my friend.
Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee. :END QUOTE
Just dipping in here. Nothing theological but maths related.
@Budman (hi brother) says
This is made up of 140*4 weeks equals 560 per month and times that by 12 equlas 6,720.
However that is based on 4 weeks times 12 which equals 48 weeks and not 52 weeks in a year.
Therefore 6,720 a year times 5 = 33,600. Looks like he he has just timsed by 10 and not 2 (5 years at 33,600 = 67,200) which you have said.
However, if my calculations are correct here is what we come to.
140*52= 7,280.
7,280*10 = 72,800 over a 10 year period.
Therefore the calculations presented are incorrect. (@posthuman the maths man will correct me if I'm wrong)
I am not stating this to make me look good and either of you bad or stupid, that's not my style. My love for my brothers and sisters on here would not lead me to do this.
My expertise is accountancy and taxation in the UK. I am an FD of a private limited company (not sure for how long though as we specialise as a tour operator selling bespoke packages to the USA)
Yet outside of that my mind finds it difficult to comprehend stuff that others find easy.
Just trying to reassure you that I'm not trying to make you both stupid.
Anyway it does not matter how many sins we commit.
The sins of the world were forgiven on the cross.
Currently the highest number we have on earth is
The biggest named number that we know is googolplex, ten to the googol power, or (10)^(10^100).That's written as a one followed by googol zeroes.
My guess is that on the cross the number of sins forgiven makes the googolplex look like 1 sin. The 1 sin that condemns us and that is unbelief in Jesus.
When we repent of that sin then all of our sins past present and future are forgiven.
As a result our sins decrease and Jesus increases.
The negative is replaced with the positive.
1 step back 2 steps forward.
@Budman (hi brother) says
This is made up of 140*4 weeks equals 560 per month and times that by 12 equlas 6,720.
However that is based on 4 weeks times 12 which equals 48 weeks and not 52 weeks in a year.
Therefore 6,720 a year times 5 = 33,600. Looks like he he has just timsed by 10 and not 2 (5 years at 33,600 = 67,200) which you have said.
However, if my calculations are correct here is what we come to.
140*52= 7,280.
7,280*10 = 72,800 over a 10 year period.
Therefore the calculations presented are incorrect. (@posthuman the maths man will correct me if I'm wrong)
I am not stating this to make me look good and either of you bad or stupid, that's not my style. My love for my brothers and sisters on here would not lead me to do this.
My expertise is accountancy and taxation in the UK. I am an FD of a private limited company (not sure for how long though as we specialise as a tour operator selling bespoke packages to the USA)
Yet outside of that my mind finds it difficult to comprehend stuff that others find easy.
Just trying to reassure you that I'm not trying to make you both stupid.
Anyway it does not matter how many sins we commit.
The sins of the world were forgiven on the cross.
Currently the highest number we have on earth is
The biggest named number that we know is googolplex, ten to the googol power, or (10)^(10^100).That's written as a one followed by googol zeroes.
My guess is that on the cross the number of sins forgiven makes the googolplex look like 1 sin. The 1 sin that condemns us and that is unbelief in Jesus.
When we repent of that sin then all of our sins past present and future are forgiven.
As a result our sins decrease and Jesus increases.
The negative is replaced with the positive.
1 step back 2 steps forward.
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Eph 2:1 When we are born again we are spiritually dead in sins, with no ability to discern (believe) in spiritual things. Eph 2:5, in the new birth we are quickened together with Christ. We are in him and he is in us. That is the reason that he cannot deny the fact that he is in us, whether we believe or not.
Baptisms of US Troops in IRAQ.
Colossians 2:13 (NCV)
13 When you were spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were not free from the power of your sinful self, God made you alive with Christ, and he forgave all our sins.
God made me alive in CHRIST, I KNOW the Holy Spirit is in me, I KNOW the Spiritual Mind of Christ is in me, and I KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, and it will NEVER END. My born again experience was the 29 of Dec, 1977; and I am sure it will last the rest of may days.
I will turn 72 in Feb. I have already had 7 strokes, 2 Big Ones, and 5 mini ones. So I am still here, because HE HAS SOMETHING MORE FOR ME TO DO. But I am READY TO GO HOME.
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