Choosing to sin, after we have received the knowledge of the truth, is choosing to be lost.

[bud62]

Please stop yelling at us. It is totally rude and completely unnecessary.

I USE IT FOR emphasis
special importance, value, or prominence given to something.
"they placed great emphasis NOT yelling SORRY.

 

[Magenta]

I USE IT FOR emphasis
special importance, value, or prominence given to something.
"they placed great emphasis NOT yelling SORRY.

In forums such as these, all caps is considered yelling and therefore rude. You have been informed of this multiple times, and asked to cease and desist by quite a few people at various times, but you ignore such requests. There is zero reason to type in all caps.There is no emphasis on anything when pretty much your whole post is such abuse. It simply shows lack of consideraion/poor character on your part.

 

[bud62]

I think THIS TELLS YOU WHAT I SAID,
GEN 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

[Magenta]

I think THIS TELLS YOU WHAT I SAID,
GEN 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

It does not say, however, that that is the only reason they did not eat of the Tree of Life.

You really shouldn't add to what Scripture says.

 

[bud62]

It does not say, however, that that is the only reason they did not eat of the Tree of Life.

You really shouldn't add to what Scripture says.

To me that is what it's saying, GOD let them eat of it till they SINNED, So i think the SCRIPTURES say it for it's self

 

[Duskey]

You are FORGETTING THAT WHEN YESUAH'S SHEEP GO'S ASTRAY THAT YESUAH GO AND SEEKS THEM OUT, WANTING TO BRING THEM BACK TO REPENTENCE, AND if THEY WILL NOT REPENT AGAIN, WITH YESUAH DRAWING TMEM, YES THEY WILL BE LOST . JUST LIKE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, EVERT TIME THEY SINNED THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE HIGH PRIEST, To get their NEW SINS COVERED AGAIN, YESUAH IS OUR HIGH PREIST NOW, AND EVERY TIME WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE HAFT TO GO TO YESUAH AND REPENT OF THOSE NEW SINS AND LET YESUAH COVER THOSE SINS TO, BUT most DOES not truly REPENT, TRYING TO HOLD ON TO SOME OF THEIR SINS, MEANING THAT THEY HAVE NOT REPENTED FULLY AND TRUTHFULLY AND they AND THE ones that FALL AND DON'T REPENT AND GET THE BOOD APPLIED TO THEIR NEW SINS WILL BE LOST, AS THIS SCRIPTURE AND A LOT OF OTHERS SCRIPTURES TELLS US THE SAME THING.

More drivel

 

[bud62]

God wanted him to live for every till he became A Sinner, HE took the tree, so he COULDN"T,
I think that is clear enough,
ANY way GOD bless as GOD sees GOOD for you

 

[bud62]

More drivel

attHEW 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[Magenta]

To me that is what it's saying, GOD let them eat of it till they SINNED, So i think the SCRIPTURES say it for it's self

They did not eat of the Tree of Life at all.

 

[Duskey]

attHEW 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

Where’s attHEW 15:9?

 

[bud62]

They did not eat of the Tree of Life at all.[/QUO

I do think you are wrong,

 

[bud62]

Where’s attHEW 15:9?

what

 

[Magenta]

I do think you are wrong,

Of course you do, and you refuse to admit that you are wrong also, for nowhere does it say they ate of it, nor does it say the only reason they did not eat of it was because God banished them from the garden, but it does say, lest us they also eat of it. They were not born again Spiritually without it... which is how we attain to life ever after. They chose death over life, in following their self will.

 

[bud62]

Of course you do, and you refuse to admit that you are wrong also, for nowhere does it say they ate of it, nor does it say the only reason they did not eat of it was because God banished them from the garden, but it does say, lest us they also eat of it. They were not born again Spiritually without it... which is how we attain to life ever after. They chose death over life, in following their self will.

Well that is the only thing that makes any since

 

[bud62]

Of course you do, and you refuse to admit that you are wrong also, for nowhere does it say they ate of it, nor does it say the only reason they did not eat of it was because God banished them from the garden, but it does say, lest us they also eat of it. They were not born again Spiritually without it... which is how we attain to life ever after. They chose death over life, in following their self will.

IT would be wrong of me to say I was Wrong, it is what the WORD OF GOD teaches, why would I say I'M wrong, That would be lying, I will stick with what the BIBLE teaches, I would rather be hot then lukewarm, the BIBLE teaches us that to love GOD we hatf to keep HIS COMMANDMENTS,

 

[mailmandan]

Wow!!I cannot believe you would call what you just posted "in context" not even close

Right from the start your bias and arrogance is really showing.

In the first part of chapter 9 Paul is discussing his ability to recieve monetary means from the people because he was an apostle or minister

If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1 Corinthians 9:11 KJV

But Paul goes on to say that he hadn't used this power (he hadn't been recieved anything from them)

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
1 Corinthians 9:13‭-‬15

He didn't want to give anyone the ability to say that he abused his power to get money or monetary means

For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV

He said I could easily except monetary means from you and have my reward. BUT HE DIDNT

Of course Paul did not abuse his power to get money or monetary means. He preferred death over having anyone think he ministered with a financial motive.

NEXT VERSE....YOU BUTCHERED

You have a poor attitude, which will get you nowhere with me.

What is my reward then?

Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:18 KJV

Since I don't recieve the reward of monetary means from you "WHAT IS MY REWARD?"

His reward was to be able to preach the gospel without charge

NOTHING ABOUT REWARDS IN HEAVEN ETC

Though Paul's reward here in regards to preaching the gospel was to make the gospel without charge as to not abuse his authority in the gospel, he is ultimately seeking to not be disqualified for the prize (vs. 27) and not disqualified for the gift of eternal life. A prize is not a gift, as I already explained, so Paul was not worried about losing his salvation. Prize (brabeion) - the prize awarded to a victor, the reward (recognition) that follows triumph.

 

[mailmandan]

In your quest to put this chapter "in context" (which is laughable) I noticed you didn't mention the next verse:

Great attitude.

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1 Corinthians 9:24‭-‬25 KJV

In an Olympic race, all run in the race, but only one receives a gold medal. That does not mean that those who do not receive a gold medal are disqualified from the Olympics. So runners in the Olympics may receive a corruptible crown, but believers may receive an incorruptible crown and the Bible mentions 5 different crowns. The crown of righteousness, the crown of rejoicing, the crown of glory, the crown of life and the incorruptible crown. (On the head of Jesus were said to be "many crowns" in Revelation 19:12.

This is not talking about running to come in first place and winning
Paul just said "run to obtain"

So "run to obtain" but out of ALL who run ONLY ONE receives the prize. Do we work for and earn the free gift of eternal life or the prize?

No mention here of a reward system for reprobates as you and others have suggested

Who said anything about a reward system for reprobates? Those who are disqualified for the prize do not receive the prize, which is not a free gift.

We run to recieve an incorruptible crown....Paul would say this again to Timothy "I have fought a good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith...."

Of course he did as all genuine believers keep the faith. Paul does not seem to indicate any insecurity about his position - Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing. (2 Timothy 4:8)

So you are absolutely wrong with Paul's concerns about becoming a reprobate

It's actually you who is absolutely wrong with Paul's concerns about losing salvation. We don't even find the specific words "lose or lost salvation" in the Bible.

I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1 Corinthians 9:26‭-‬27 KJV

Other translations say disqualified/disqualified for the prize.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
castaway, rejected, reprobate.
From a (as a negative particle) and dokimos; unapproved, i.e. Rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally) -- castaway, rejected, reprobate.

see GREEK a

see GREEK dokimos

Still doesn't mean a loss of salvation in 1 Corinthians 9:27.

For a deeper study see - https://www.preceptaustin.org/1_corinthians_927_commentary

 

[Rosemaryx]

Great attitude.

In an Olympic race, all run in the race, but only one receives a gold medal. That does not mean that those who do not receive a gold medal are disqualified from the Olympics. So runners in the Olympics may receive a corruptible crown, but believers may receive an incorruptible crown and the Bible mentions 5 different crowns. The crown of righteousness, the crown of rejoicing, the crown of glory, the crown of life and the incorruptible crown. (On the head of Jesus were said to be "many crowns" in Revelation 19:12.

So "run to obtain" but out of ALL who run ONLY ONE receives the prize. Do we work for and earn the free gift of eternal life or the prize?

Who said anything about a reward system for reprobates? Those who are disqualified for the prize do not receive the prize, which is not a free gift.

Of course he did as all genuine believers keep the faith. Paul does not seem to indicate any insecurity about his position - Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing. (2 Timothy 4:8)

It's actually you who is absolutely wrong with Paul's concerns about losing salvation. We don't even find the specific words "lose or lost salvation" in the Bible.

Other translations say disqualified/disqualified for the prize.

Still doesn't mean a loss of salvation in 1 Corinthians 9:27.

For a deeper study see - https://www.preceptaustin.org/1_corinthians_927_commentary

Jesus saved us when we were wretched sinners , He will not cast us out as we are being made to be more and more like Him each day...
To say we can lose our Salvation is like saying Jesus throws Himself away if He was to cast us away from Him...

It is lack of faith for those who believe our LORD will lose one of us , they need to pray for more faith...

Luke 17:5
The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”
...xox...

 

[bud62]

Right from the start your bias and arrogance is really showing.

Of course Paul did not abuse his power to get money or monetary means. He preferred death over having anyone think he ministered with a financial motive.

You have a poor attitude, which will get you nowhere with me.

Though Paul's reward here in regards to preaching the gospel was to make the gospel without charge as to not abuse his authority in the gospel, he is ultimately seeking to not be disqualified for the prize (vs. 27) and not disqualified for the gift of eternal life. A prize is not a gift, as I already explained, so Paul was not worried about losing his salvation. Prize (brabeion) - the prize awarded to a victor, the reward (recognition) that follows triumph.

What I said is even A COMMANDMENT, And these Scriptures SAY THE same thing, GOD love you And I do to,
But If we love sin, and want give it up, GOD says that he will send us strong delusions that we will believe A lie and be damned,
2 THESS 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 THESS 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
[If you don't know that unrighteousness is sin,] 1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
EX. 20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 JOHN 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 JOHN 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

And THE Prize that HE was after was eternal LIFE, and that is what he didn't want to lose, And that is saying what I said, Praise GOD,

 

[bud62]

Great attitude.

In an Olympic race, all run in the race, but only one receives a gold medal. That does not mean that those who do not receive a gold medal are disqualified from the Olympics. So runners in the Olympics may receive a corruptible crown, but believers may receive an incorruptible crown and the Bible mentions 5 different crowns. The crown of righteousness, the crown of rejoicing, the crown of glory, the crown of life and the incorruptible crown. (On the head of Jesus were said to be "many crowns" in Revelation 19:12.

So "run to obtain" but out of ALL who run ONLY ONE receives the prize. Do we work for and earn the free gift of eternal life or the prize?

Who said anything about a reward system for reprobates? Those who are disqualified for the prize do not receive the prize, which is not a free gift.

Of course he did as all genuine believers keep the faith. Paul does not seem to indicate any insecurity about his position - Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing. (2 Timothy 4:8)

It's actually you who is absolutely wrong with Paul's concerns about losing salvation. We don't even find the specific words "lose or lost salvation" in the Bible.

Other translations say disqualified/disqualified for the prize.

Still doesn't mean a loss of salvation in 1 Corinthians 9:27.

For a deeper study see - https://www.preceptaustin.org/1_corinthians_927_commentary

THAT CROWN is the crown of life,