Choosing to sin, after we have received the knowledge of the truth, is choosing to be lost.
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THAT IS WHAT GOD'S WORD IS FOR, Basic instructions before leaving earth. Adan and Eve wouldn't have needed
saved if they had not sinned,
BUT people love their SINS, and most hold on to them real tight, TILL they are dead and to late to try to repent of them,
BUT GOD HATES SIN, BUT HE DOES LOVE THE SINNER, Enough that HE DIED IN their place, on the CROSS,
so they could repent and turn away from their sins, and be saved from what they have done,
But if they HOLD on to their sins, GOD will have no choice but to destroy them to get rid of sins FOR EVER,
THAT is why he deals with US , SO long, IS that HE LOVES US, AND works with us, that HE MITE NOT HAFT TO DESTROY US WHEN HE DESTROYS SINS. And if YESUAH does haft to destroy us WE will have no one to blame, BUT US AND Satan,
for giving us reason and hope in being saved, without giving up our sins, AND loving what put YESUAH on the CROSS in the FIRST PLACE, THE BIBLE TEACHES US TO LEARN TO HATE SINS, NOT TO LOVE WHAT CAUSED OUR SAVIOR TO GO TO THE CROSS.
saved if they had not sinned,
BUT people love their SINS, and most hold on to them real tight, TILL they are dead and to late to try to repent of them,
BUT GOD HATES SIN, BUT HE DOES LOVE THE SINNER, Enough that HE DIED IN their place, on the CROSS,
so they could repent and turn away from their sins, and be saved from what they have done,
But if they HOLD on to their sins, GOD will have no choice but to destroy them to get rid of sins FOR EVER,
THAT is why he deals with US , SO long, IS that HE LOVES US, AND works with us, that HE MITE NOT HAFT TO DESTROY US WHEN HE DESTROYS SINS. And if YESUAH does haft to destroy us WE will have no one to blame, BUT US AND Satan,
for giving us reason and hope in being saved, without giving up our sins, AND loving what put YESUAH on the CROSS in the FIRST PLACE, THE BIBLE TEACHES US TO LEARN TO HATE SINS, NOT TO LOVE WHAT CAUSED OUR SAVIOR TO GO TO THE CROSS.
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There is a vast difference between being human and committing a sin and repenting of that sin and living in sin. If you continue to live in sin, then yes I would agree you've made a choice. But for the believer who fails, as we all do, no. No one is perfectly sinless. But that doesn't give us license to sin.
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Wow!!I cannot believe you would call what you just posted "in context" not even close
In the first part of chapter 9 Paul is discussing his ability to recieve monetary means from the people because he was an apostle or minister
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1 Corinthians 9:11 KJV
But Paul goes on to say that he hadn't used this power (he hadn't been recieved anything from them)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
1 Corinthians 9:13-15
He didn't want to give anyone the ability to say that he abused his power to get money or monetary means
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV
He said I could easily except monetary means from you and have my reward. BUT HE DIDNT
NEXT VERSE....YOU BUTCHERED
What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:18 KJV
Since I don't recieve the reward of monetary means from you "WHAT IS MY REWARD?"
His reward was to be able to preach the gospel without charge
NOTHING ABOUT REWARDS IN HEAVEN ETC
In the first part of chapter 9 Paul is discussing his ability to recieve monetary means from the people because he was an apostle or minister
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1 Corinthians 9:11 KJV
But Paul goes on to say that he hadn't used this power (he hadn't been recieved anything from them)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
1 Corinthians 9:13-15
He didn't want to give anyone the ability to say that he abused his power to get money or monetary means
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV
He said I could easily except monetary means from you and have my reward. BUT HE DIDNT
NEXT VERSE....YOU BUTCHERED
What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:18 KJV
Since I don't recieve the reward of monetary means from you "WHAT IS MY REWARD?"
His reward was to be able to preach the gospel without charge
NOTHING ABOUT REWARDS IN HEAVEN ETC
In your quest to put this chapter "in context" (which is laughable) I noticed you didn't mention the next verse:
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1 Corinthians 9:24-25 KJV
This is not talking about running to come in first place and winning
Paul just said "run to obtain"
No mention here of a reward system for reprobates as you and others have suggested
We run to recieve an incorruptible crown....Paul would say this again to Timothy "I have fought a good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith...."
So you are absolutely wrong with Paul's concerns about becoming a reprobate
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1 Corinthians 9:26-27 KJV
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
castaway, rejected, reprobate.
From a (as a negative particle) and dokimos; unapproved, i.e. Rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally) -- castaway, rejected, reprobate.
see GREEK a
see GREEK dokimos
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1 Corinthians 9:24-25 KJV
This is not talking about running to come in first place and winning
Paul just said "run to obtain"
No mention here of a reward system for reprobates as you and others have suggested
We run to recieve an incorruptible crown....Paul would say this again to Timothy "I have fought a good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith...."
So you are absolutely wrong with Paul's concerns about becoming a reprobate
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1 Corinthians 9:26-27 KJV
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
castaway, rejected, reprobate.
From a (as a negative particle) and dokimos; unapproved, i.e. Rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally) -- castaway, rejected, reprobate.
see GREEK a
see GREEK dokimos
Your right there is a difference between committing a sin and living in sin.
A real child of God will feel conviction to repent after they sinned. IF YOU DONT FEEL THIS ITS SIMPLE.....NOT SAVED
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12:8 KJV
A real child of God will feel conviction to repent after they sinned. IF YOU DONT FEEL THIS ITS SIMPLE.....NOT SAVED
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12:8 KJV
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Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised there is yet another thread on sin and how most of us are all filthy sinners and lost in our own wicked ways. We are are instructed to encourage and build each other teach and guide each other but you always have those who love to point out others flaws, the funny thing is far more than instructing on sin the first church were abundant in speaking pon love and encouraging each other they found great joy even in hardships because they built each other up and held each other up they grew strong because instead of arguing and pointing out where they failed they gave love life and walked in righteousness because they had each other they could lean on nowadays even in most churches we hear of sin and what not to do but how often do we hear what the first church had.
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Honestly I always am suspect when these kind of threads pop up, if one wanted to teach on sin then it should be done in a constructive way where people can actually discuss and learn these types are a pretty obvious stirring of the pot and I don't if people just get bored or love the thrill of heated debates but these kinds are not productive
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If your definition of Hebrews is correct (btw, it's not) that means if you commit a single sin after conversion willingly, you are lost and on your way to hell with no hope of forgiveness.
Because, as you believe, that scripture means there is "no more sacrifice" for a Christian who willfully sins, there is no way left for them to go to heaven.
Do you seriously believe that?
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You are FORGETTING THAT WHEN YESUAH'S SHEEP GO'S ASTRAY THAT YESUAH GO AND SEEKS THEM OUT, WANTING TO BRING THEM BACK TO REPENTENCE, AND if THEY WILL NOT REPENT AGAIN, WITH YESUAH DRAWING TMEM, YES THEY WILL BE LOST . JUST LIKE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, EVERT TIME THEY SINNED THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE HIGH PRIEST, To get their NEW SINS COVERED AGAIN, YESUAH IS OUR HIGH PREIST NOW, AND EVERY TIME WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE HAFT TO GO TO YESUAH AND REPENT OF THOSE NEW SINS AND LET YESUAH COVER THOSE SINS TO, BUT most DOES not truly REPENT, TRYING TO HOLD ON TO SOME OF THEIR SINS, MEANING THAT THEY HAVE NOT REPENTED FULLY AND TRUTHFULLY AND they AND THE ones that FALL AND DON'T REPENT AND GET THE BOOD APPLIED TO THEIR NEW SINS WILL BE LOST, AS THIS SCRIPTURE AND A LOT OF OTHERS SCRIPTURES TELLS US THE SAME THING.
