MGTOW Red Pill Bible Are woman capable of loving a man?

[Magenta]

If you read anything instead of taking a hostile tone because the word woman was mentioned, you would see I bashed majority of men too, and defended against a typical argument of "offspring". Me mentioning something doesn't give it the meaning you think it meant. Feel free to carry on.

You:

It just seems like even the "good" girls seem to try to get into relationships based on
getting something from someone whether emotionally, stability, financially wise.

Whereas "good" man get into relationships based on I want to provide
things to another person and just out of sheer companionship.

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70-80% of Divorces are initiated by woman, why? incapable of true love?

Indeed, carry on with your denial.

And while you're at it? Go look in a mirror

 

[GdaxBbb]

It boils down into even the arguments of gods grace, do we choose god out of our own free will, or is it because god is making us choose him. If forcing us to choose out of some external stimuli then it's not really true love, just being manipulated into demonstrating love.

 

[SoulWeaver]

The main point of this thread is giving of self to your husband man, not about your offspring. You seemed to have missed the point of me mentioning those things in that reply. Those are all naturally selfish things when they become the primary purpose of getting in a relationship.

Just because child birth is hard doesn't mean motivations aren't selfish, if you think the child is going to bring you joy which 99% of people think. A very selfish reason to have children, nobody thinks what world am I going to be bringing the child into, how will I raise it, I will have a child for greater motives like populating the species so it doesn't die.

It's child makes me happy, basically reproduce my own DNA (selfish)

There are many women who don't want to have children for some of these reasons. Just because a lot of maternal women ostracize them, doesn't mean they don't exist, they are just not too outspoken. There's a lot of societal bullying that everybody should have children, and it's usually women who are mostly pressured. And, when it's a woman that doesn't plan on having children, it's typically a deal breaker for most men. Men want offspring as badly as women. Are you serious, lol. Why do you think many men won't consider long term relationship with a woman beyond her childbearing years?

 

[GdaxBbb]

It is a naturally God given desire for women to have children for the joy that it will bring her. To call that evil, or selfish would be crazy thinking and unhealthy.

That's exactly what it is though isn't it? For the joy that it would bring HER / HIM. For the joy that it would bring SELF. The child's future joy happiness sadness it never considered.

Both sexes in this regard usually procreate out of SELFISH reasons, to bring Joy to themselves, I guess god just decided to use ego to continue the human race probably knowing majority of humans are incapable of making loving decisions, so he used ego selfishness to drive a good thing.

Not arguing having kids is bad, the end result is good obviously, just the reasons is usually a selfish based one.

 

[GdaxBbb]

There are many women who don't want to have children for some of these reasons. Just because a lot of maternal women ostracize them, doesn't mean they don't exist, they are just not too outspoken. There's a lot of societal bullying that everybody should have children, and it's usually women who are mostly pressured. And, when it's a woman that doesn't plan on having children, it's typically a deal breaker for most men. Men want offspring as badly as women. Are you serious, lol. Why do you think so many men don't consider serious relationship with a woman beyond her childbearing years?

Think majority of the time they just become less attractive at that point physically, and there is no "childbearing" years woman can have children at 60 just higher risk of course. If man were choosing based on childbearing that would be a noble cause, think majority are choosing simply based on looks lol.

 

[Nehemiah6]

70-80% of Divorces are initiated by woman, why? incapable of true love?

The statistics back up what you have stated here:

'What do the statistics say?
So, what exactly do the statistics say about who initiates divorce more? According to a study conducted by wf-lawyers.com, about 50% of marriages in the United States end in divorce. Of those divorces, about 80% are initiated by women. That 50% figure is often cited and is likely to be on the high side, but it is illuminating that 80% of divorces are filed by the wife. These statistics suggest that more women are dissatisfied with their marriages, at least to the point of ending them than men, who may feel the need to continue on with the family union.

While some marriages end for very objective reasons, such as physical abuse or addictions, there are undoubtedly many reasons for dissatisfaction that exist. However, the husband and his actions, or lack thereof, play an essential role in causing and maintaining dissatisfaction.

Several other studies have also concluded that there is a high percentage of divorces initiated by the wife in marriages. An investigation completed by Dr. Kira Birditt from the Institute of Social Research at the University of Michigan followed 355 different couples over 16 years, monitoring marital tensions between each pair. Her results, which were published in the Journal of Developmental Psychology, showed that while a husband’s anxiety can multiply, what eventually tends to result in divorce is tension experienced by the wife. With this, she came to the conclusion that women initiate divorce almost twice as much as men.'

https://goodmenproject.com/divorce/9-reasons-why-women-initiate-divorce-more-than-men/

This may not necessarily be because women are incapable of true love. It probably reflects modern Western culture, which has made divorce a solution to marital problems. Divorces are rare in traditionalist non-Western societies. But since America at one time was under Christian influence, which was rejected for liberalism, things changed from the early 20th century, and now divorces are at the level of 50% or more.

 

[Scribe]

That's exactly what it is though isn't it? For the joy that it would bring HER / HIM. For the joy that it would bring SELF. The child's future joy happiness sadness it never considered.

Both sexes in this regard usually procreate out of SELFISH reasons, to bring Joy to themselves, I guess god just decided to use ego to continue the human race probably knowing majority of humans are incapable of making loving decisions, so he used ego selfishness to drive a good thing.

Not arguing having kids is bad, the end result is good obviously, just the reasons is usually a selfish based on.

No one, men or women, marry to be selfless unconditional providers of happiness to others with no expectations of receiving benefits for their own happiness. No one.

Men expect as much as women to make them happy in a marriage. Just because it is not of the same type of expectation does not mean he has no expectations.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Think majority of the time they just become less attractive at that point physically, and there is no "childbearing" years woman can have children at 60 just higher risk of course. If man were choosing based on childbearing that would be a noble cause, think majority are choosing simply based on looks lol.

Your argument is ridiculous. If she was unattractive, they wouldn't be dating her to begin with, they would date another woman with good looks. It's a fact that not being in prime CHILDBEARING years will cause many men to not want a long term relationship. It's about childbearing, and you can bend yourself into a pretzel but you're wrong.

 

[GdaxBbb]

No one, men or women, marry to be selfless unconditional providers of happiness to others with no expectations of receiving benefits for their own happiness.

The


No one, men or women, marry to be selfless unconditional providers of happiness to others with no expectations of receiving benefits for their own happiness. No one.

Men expect as much as women to make them happy in a marriage. Just because it is not of the same type of expectation does not mean he has no expectations.

You can have expectations obviously, the point is not expectations even though those seem to lean more selfishly towards woman. The whole point is when you're not receiving happiness, when you're not feeling loved. True love is demonstrated when you're not happy.

 

[GdaxBbb]

Your argument is ridiculous. If she was unattractive, they wouldn't be dating her to begin with, they would date another woman with good looks. It's a fact that not being in prime CHILDBEARING years will cause many men to not want a long term relationship. It's about childbearing, and you can bend yourself into a pretzel but you're wrong.

Think you're giving men too much credit so be it, but overall irrelevant to the main discussion, of demonstrating true love after your expectations of happiness are shattered.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Think you're giving men too much credit so be it, but overall irrelevant to the main discussion, of demonstrating true love after your expectations of happiness are shattered.

Well your main premise was that people with XX chromosome were more superficial than people with XY chromosome. I was setting that straight first.

 

[GdaxBbb]

The statistics back up what you have stated here:

'What do the statistics say?
So, what exactly do the statistics say about who initiates divorce more? According to a study conducted by wf-lawyers.com, about 50% of marriages in the United States end in divorce. Of those divorces, about 80% are initiated by women. That 50% figure is often cited and is likely to be on the high side, but it is illuminating that 80% of divorces are filed by the wife. These statistics suggest that more women are dissatisfied with their marriages, at least to the point of ending them than men, who may feel the need to continue on with the family union.

While some marriages end for very objective reasons, such as physical abuse or addictions, there are undoubtedly many reasons for dissatisfaction that exist. However, the husband and his actions, or lack thereof, play an essential role in causing and maintaining dissatisfaction.

Several other studies have also concluded that there is a high percentage of divorces initiated by the wife in marriages. An investigation completed by Dr. Kira Birditt from the Institute of Social Research at the University of Michigan followed 355 different couples over 16 years, monitoring marital tensions between each pair. Her results, which were published in the Journal of Developmental Psychology, showed that while a husband’s anxiety can multiply, what eventually tends to result in divorce is tension experienced by the wife. With this, she came to the conclusion that women initiate divorce almost twice as much as men.'

https://goodmenproject.com/divorce/9-reasons-why-women-initiate-divorce-more-than-men/

This may not necessarily be because women are incapable of true love. It probably reflects modern Western culture, which has made divorce a solution to marital problems. Divorces are rare in traditionalist non-Western societies. But since America at one time was under Christian influence, which was rejected for liberalism, things changed from the early 20th century, and now divorces are at the level of 50% or more.

This was even more eye opening. It seems to demonstrate a very low capacity of true love, obviously we all are capable of demonstrating it, but if you are demonstrating it rarely or for such a short period of time, it makes it almost a useless measure.

It's like the people who say yeah I give to the needy I help people out, this one time I gave some old clothes 20 years ago lol.

Also in non Western cultures there is heavy religious, social pressure, so just because they stay in the marriages doesn't mean they truly love a person, if that didn't exist you would most likely see the very same statistics.

 

[Scribe]

The statistics back up what you have stated here:

'What do the statistics say?
So, what exactly do the statistics say about who initiates divorce more? According to a study conducted by wf-lawyers.com, about 50% of marriages in the United States end in divorce. Of those divorces, about 80% are initiated by women. That 50% figure is often cited and is likely to be on the high side, but it is illuminating that 80% of divorces are filed by the wife. These statistics suggest that more women are dissatisfied with their marriages, at least to the point of ending them than men, who may feel the need to continue on with the family union.

While some marriages end for very objective reasons, such as physical abuse or addictions, there are undoubtedly many reasons for dissatisfaction that exist. However, the husband and his actions, or lack thereof, play an essential role in causing and maintaining dissatisfaction.

Several other studies have also concluded that there is a high percentage of divorces initiated by the wife in marriages. An investigation completed by Dr. Kira Birditt from the Institute of Social Research at the University of Michigan followed 355 different couples over 16 years, monitoring marital tensions between each pair. Her results, which were published in the Journal of Developmental Psychology, showed that while a husband’s anxiety can multiply, what eventually tends to result in divorce is tension experienced by the wife. With this, she came to the conclusion that women initiate divorce almost twice as much as men.'

https://goodmenproject.com/divorce/9-reasons-why-women-initiate-divorce-more-than-men/

This may not necessarily be because women are incapable of true love. It probably reflects modern Western culture, which has made divorce a solution to marital problems. Divorces are rare in traditionalist non-Western societies. But since America at one time was under Christian influence, which was rejected for liberalism, things changed from the early 20th century, and now divorces are at the level of 50% or more.

This matches my own life experiences and observations. It is often that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome that women who compare their lives with movies, novels, and especially rich people and believe that if they can find a rich man to marry they can live a more enjoyable life.

They married young and for love and they expected that their young handsome men will accomplish great things and give them the rich life later, but as life progresses and they realize that he will not accomplish their dreams they bail while they think they are still attractive enough to land a rich man who will give them a more enjoyable life. They have decided that their first mate turned out to be a loser and they deserve to be happy.

As terrible as that sounds, It is pretty much what I have heard from the mouths of "Christian" women who initiated divorce. There exact words are usually more like "we married too young, we made a mistake, we were immature," and then the ultimate, balm that soothes the guilty conscience... "I believe God wants me to be happy"

 

[Magenta]

If you read anything instead of taking a hostile tone because the word woman was mentioned...

Way to minimize your whole tone here, dismissing everything you have said against women by boiling my response down to saying it was because the word woman was mentioned. Can you get any less honest? No, probably not.

 

[GdaxBbb]

Well your main premise was that people with XX chromosome were more superficial than people with XY chromosome. I was setting that straight first.

Superficial where it matters the most deep down inside, both genders are superficial in the beginning stages of courtship, it's what happens after that displays true superficialness.

 

[Scribe]

Superficial where it matters the most deep down inside, both genders are superficial in the beginning stages of courtship, it's what happens after that displays true superficialness.

Women who started out not superficial and married for love when the man was penniless change their minds over time and realize that Love is not enough.

 

[GdaxBbb]

Women who started out not superficial and married for love when the man was penniless change their minds over time and realize that Love is not enough.

I know we're painting with broad strokes, but does this apply to ALL or MAJORITY? There must be some that can conjure up love outside of external stimuli?

Wonder how this ties into Eve, and sometimes harsh words of the bible. Would god go as far as making one sex's capacity for true love so small or shallow to basically make it null or void in the long term without man's abilities? Was this done to have ultimate submission to man? Where man is even in control of woman demonstrating love?

Kind of like Christ > Man > Woman since I guess technically outside of god giving us the ability to love we're helpless too therefore we are totally submissive to him for us to demonstrate true love.

It reminds of Solomons verse in Ecc where out 1 out of 1000 men he found a worthy person, horrendous % like .01, but at least there was one. Where out of 1000 woman he found 0 worthy.

 

[Magenta]

It reminds of Solomons verse in Ecc where out 1 out of 1000 men he found a worthy person, horrendous % like .01, but at least there was one. Where out of 1000 woman he found 0 worthy.

"The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is none who does good, no, not one." <- That includes every man except Jesus.

God alone is good.

 

[Scribe]

I know we're painting with broad strokes, but does this apply to ALL or MAJORITY? There must be some that can conjure up love outside of external stimuli?

Wonder how this ties into Eve, and sometimes harsh words of the bible. Would god go as far as making one sex's capacity for true love so small or shallow to basically make it null or void in the long term without man's abilities? Was this done to have ultimate submission to man? Where man is even in control of woman demonstrating love?

Kind of like Christ > Man > Woman since I guess technically outside of god giving us the ability to love we're helpless too therefore we are totally submissive to him for us to demonstrate true love.

It reminds of Solomons verse in Ecc where out 1 out of 1000 men he found a worthy person, horrendous % like .01, but at least there was one. Where out of 1000 woman he found 0 worthy.

No it is simply that women are lead astray by a strategy of satan that works on them.

There is an outrageous number of men who are committing adultery in their hearts and minds with porn which to a woman has the same heart breaking effect of finding out their husband has been cheating on them. A huge number of married men are committing this heinous crime and yet they will find it hard to accept when the wife leaves on grounds of unfaithfulness. They will put up an argument that it is not the same thing.

How can men be so heartless? Are men just naturally monsters?

And Ecc is the venting of a man seeking meaning in life in all the wrong ways and expressing perspectives from a limited perspective. Things as he perceived them to be in his quest for meaning not things as they actually are from God's perspective. In other words, he was jaded.

Satan has his strategies he uses to lead women into sin and he has different strategies for men.

You cannot be shocked at the strategies that women fall for just because you wouldn't fall for them. You should not think they are more evil than men because of it.

Women are shocked at the strategies of satan that men fall for as well, and think that they must be more evil than women because most women do not have a problem with that same kind of temptation that men have.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Superficial where it matters the most deep down inside, both genders are superficial in the beginning stages of courtship, it's what happens after that displays true superficialness.

If that floats your boat, believe whatever you wish... I hope you end up happy in life dude. I really mean it because your posts are not conducive to finding harmony.

It strikes me as very unchristian that you're literally condemning people for their biology, which they didn't choose. How can you look down at fellow human beings for their gender?

So many couples who cannot have children try for many years, and guess what, it's not always the woman who is infertile. If it's only all about kids, why doesn't she leave that man to have a child with someone else who is more fertile? Why does she specifically want this man's child and goes through years of hurt as they're failing in building their family?

Who ever starts dating someone and goes "I want a baby"? I mean really. That's not how it works. Typically, a woman wants a child of a specific man that is special to her, and she doesn't want children of others Of course there are some exceptions that happen but this is what mostly commonly occurs. This is a natural development of their unique and deep relationship. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe she wants to give him a child, as well, and see him rejoice in fatherhood? You seem so obsessed with selfishness that you impart it to everybody... so insecure that you're upset by the notion of your hypothetical wife wanting to raise your own children. It's like you don't understand that a woman wants children with a man she loves? It must be just one man standing to feel wanted, there's not enough love for everyone we must hog all emotional resources, or what? Are you only able to think in terms of selfishness?