MGTOW Red Pill Bible Are woman capable of loving a man?

[GdaxBbb]

Just a broad discussion about these topics. Before we begin to clarify nobody is truly capable of selfless sacrificial unconditional love 24/7 besides god.

Nowhere in the bible are woman instructed to love their husbands from proper translations. Why? Are they truly incapable of love over the long term?

70-80% of Divorces are initiated by woman, why? incapable of true love?

Some issues with most Red Pill's usual argument. Women want to protect their offspring therefor they are incapable of truly loving a man. Which makes the argument pretty stupid, as of course a man would choose their child over the wife also. Meaning the same argument can be applied to man.

Do woman choose to love out of free will or are they a slave to their emotions? As long as you keep hitting the right psychological switches she will remain "on" and in love, as soon as you stop they fall out of "love". Hence the I don't know honey "I just don't love you anymore"

Are man more capable of delivering longer bursts of unconditional love than woman, to the point where majority of relationships are doomed if a man doesn't keep the fire alive? You always read the studies men are really the ones with idealistic ideas of romantic love (think romance movies), they take way longer to get over a break up if ever, they don't initiate nearly as many divorces.

Seems like if the man isn't actively trying to keep the relationship alive, majority of woman just let it die or put in minimum amounts of effort and just give up. Whereas a man can be discontent for a very prolonged period of time and still not give up.

Obviously we are speaking about the 1% of both sexes, as we know majority man and woman don't even have an ounce of love to give to others. It just seems like even the "good" girls seem to try to get into relationships based on getting something from someone whether emotionally, stability, financially wise.

Whereas "good" man get into relationships based on I want to provide things to another person and just out of sheer companionship.

Obviously you also have stories of woman who have endured a lot from men, out of true love or duty?

I know my grandmother was the "perfect" wife in those days standards, cooked cleaned never cheated ect, but she never loved my grandfather, she just did it out of duty because that's what she was supposed to do.

Anyway thoughts are appreciated, and hopefully they are biblical and scientific, not overly reliant on anecdotal evidence of past experience.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Ironic that you state you want biblical and scientific responses despite that missing in your own post. And even go as far as using an experience in your post while saying you don't want answers focused on experience.
You've made numerous claims yet did not provide a single shred of evidence.
The whole premise seems to be "men are into relationships to give and out of pure motives, women are all simply selfish users".
This post, I just can't take it seriously.

 

[Blain]

Just a broad discussion about these topics. Before we begin to clarify nobody is truly capable of selfless sacrificial unconditional love 24/7 besides god.

Nowhere in the bible are woman instructed to love their husbands from proper translations. Why? Are they truly incapable of love over the long term?

70-80% of Divorces are initiated by woman, why? incapable of true love?

Some issues with most Red Pill's usual argument. Women want to protect their offspring therefor they are incapable of truly loving a man. Which makes the argument pretty stupid, as of course a man would choose their child over the wife also. Meaning the same argument can be applied to man.

Do woman choose to love out of free will or are they a slave to their emotions? As long as you keep hitting the right psychological switches she will remain "on" and in love, as soon as you stop they fall out of "love". Hence the I don't know honey "I just don't love you anymore"

Are man more capable of delivering longer bursts of unconditional love than woman, to the point where majority of relationships are doomed if a man doesn't keep the fire alive? You always read the studies men are really the ones with idealistic ideas of romantic love (think romance movies), they take way longer to get over a break up if ever, they don't initiate nearly as many divorces.

Seems like if the man isn't actively trying to keep the relationship alive, majority of woman just let it die or put in minimum amounts of effort and just give up. Whereas a man can be discontent for a very prolonged period of time and still not give up.

Obviously we are speaking about the 1% of both sexes, as we know majority man and woman don't even have an ounce of love to give to others. It just seems like even the "good" girls seem to try to get into relationships based on getting something from someone whether emotionally, stability, financially wise.

Whereas "good" man get into relationships based on I want to provide things to another person and just out of sheer companionship.

Obviously you also have stories of woman who have endured a lot from men, out of true love or duty?

I know my grandmother was the "perfect" wife in those days standards, cooked cleaned never cheated ect, but she never loved my grandfather, she just did it out of duty because that's what she was supposed to do.

Anyway thoughts are appreciated, and hopefully they are biblical and scientific, not overly reliant on anecdotal evidence of past experience.

For the record the reason most marriages end in divorce is because of several factors none of which have to do with the sex of a person. you have massive amounts of people getting married without expensies planned for the future the emotional and psychological stress of money problems is a very deep one that most people don't even realize and this can cause huge problems in the family
They get depressed and stressed out ending in lashing out at each other

The other is that people get married to soon, it's easy to love each other when things are good and everything is romantic but over the years this flame lessens and they start to realize how they don't click like they thought they did brings any kinds into the picture and that only enhances it.

Also movies would have us believe that it is always the men that are the bad irresponsible parents and women are the the mature and supportive parent the same for just being in a relationship without kids it also would have us believe that divorce is mainly women who want it but this simply is not accurate

But what I think is that it doesn't matter what the statistics say about men and women what caused the relationship to fail whose fault it was or if one sex has more capability to love more than the other the problem is that people don't take their wedding vows as they should.
For better or for worse in sickness in health in rich or poor till death people don't seem to understand that when you make this vowel it is a contract set in stone and if you really mean these words then you better be prepared even if things go into chaos, no matter what the reason unless they were unfaithful if you make these vows and separate then it doesn't matter whose fault it was it was you both made those same vows and it takes two to tango

 

[tourist]

This post, I just can't take it seriously.

I can't take it seriously either and I just skimmed through it. At the mention of Red pills all I could think about is the Matrix. Maybe the OP took the Blue pill, and seriously, in these troubled times it might not be a bad thing. Regardless, I'm trending towards the Red pill.

 

[Scribe]

It is a complex world. People are complex. There is not one answer. What is a Red Pill? Is that a derogatory remark toward women? Like, "She's such a Red Pill"

Maybe your focusing on one of the common scenarios. A woman who is jaded toward her marriage because the husband did not provide her with the "ideal life" she imagined that he was supposed to provide.

She decides that her unhappiness (which is nothing more than unrealized expectations, in this case) is his fault and she lets him know it. She progressively gets worse until she leaves him for another man whom she thinks will do a better job of giving her that "ideal life" she has dreamed of since the unrealistic expectations were planted in her as a child with fairy tales and movies, or he leaves because he is sick of being her daily pin cushion of venting and rage.

Is that what you are talking about? This is not because she is incapable. She needs to have her mind transformed by the Word of God.
And stop watching Hallmark.

 

[oldethennew]

just going over this thread and 'skipping it', because if it's 'dumbness'...

 

[Dino246]

What is a Red Pill? Is that a derogatory remark toward women? Like, "She's such a Red Pill"

It's a reference to the movie, "The Matrix". In the movie, Keanu Reaves' character Neo is offered a blue pill, which would cause him to forget reality and return to the structured, imaginary world that holds people prisoner, and the red pill, which would cause his eyes to be opened to the truth. He takes the red pill... and the adventure begins.

"Red pill men" are those who are aware (or becoming aware) of the subtle and sometimes hidden characteristics of female character and motivations. Bear in mind that it is a secular term with no basis in biblical truth, but there is a lot of (sad) truth in the information conveyed among the 'red pill' community.

The term is not derogatory in itself, and one can be "red-pilled" without being misogynistic.

 

[GaryA]

'Red Pill' is generally used to represent "the desire to know the [real] truth"
'Blue Pill' is generally used to represent "the desire to not have to deal with the [real] truth"

 

[Scribe]

It's a reference to the movie, "The Matrix". In the movie, Keanu Reaves' character Neo is offered a blue pill, which would cause him to forget reality and return to the structured, imaginary world that holds people prisoner, and the red pill, which would cause his eyes to be opened to the truth. He takes the red pill... and the adventure begins.

"Red pill men" are those who are aware (or becoming aware) of the subtle and sometimes hidden characteristics of female character and motivations. Bear in mind that it is a secular term with no basis in biblical truth, but there is a lot of (sad) truth in the information conveyed among the 'red pill' community.

The term is not derogatory in itself, and one can be "red-pilled" without being misogynistic.

Ah! So in this context I might have hit the nail on the head. What some men "wake up" to, or realize is that they are married to a 45 year old with the mental capacity of a 15 year old self centered drama queen still throwing tantrums to get her way and demanding that the husband make her happy because he is the man and that it is his job. This is being interpreted as "not capable" of love.

And then she hangs out with women who support her in her narcisim because they all have been brought up with the same mindset and philosophy. They are trained from an early age to be this way and they call it "being female".

They are just sinners. Just like men and their hang-ups and bad thinking they were trained to follow. We all need to be translated from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light and let the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God renew our minds.

Jesus is the answer for women and men.

 

[GdaxBbb]

Ohh yeah totally ignoring those cases of the ones who act like 15 year olds. Even in general mature relationships that could even potentially last a lifetime.

Even for Christians it seems motivation for men is more let me just share my life and be in love with someone with no other reasons maybe the other reasons are secondary.

Whereas for woman the reasons seem more concrete and primary, I want security, a husband, a family, I want to be a mom it's things they need to be happy as opposed to giving of self and making others happy.

Obviously those things are fine, but if they are the primary motivation instead of just love itself. It seems love for majority including Christians is "feelz" based especially for woman.

If I'm basically hitting your biological chemical switches like a program and you're "in love" is that really true love? As soon as that stops their love magically goes away. Feels like you have to play the role of psychologist as a man rather than being a real human.

 

[Magenta]

Whereas for woman the reasons seem more concrete and primary, I want security, a husband, a family, I want to be a mom it's things they need to be happy as opposed to giving of self and making others happy.

Because giving birth to and raising children does not entail giving anything of yourself? smh.

 

[Scribe]

Ohh yeah totally ignoring those cases of the ones who act like 15 year olds. Even in general mature relationships that could even potentially last a lifetime.

Even for Christians it seems motivation for men is more let me just share my life and be in love with someone with no other reasons maybe the other reasons are secondary.

Whereas for woman the reasons seem more concrete and primary, I want security, a husband, a family, I want to be a mom it's things they need to be happy as opposed to giving of self and making others happy.

Obviously those things are fine, but if they are the primary motivation instead of just love itself. It seems love for majority including Christians is "feelz" based especially for woman.

If I'm basically hitting your biological chemical switches like a program and you're "in love" is that really true love? As soon as that stops their love magically goes away. Feels like you have to play the role of psychologist as a man rather than being a real human.

We are painting with a broad brush here but since we are, let's paint the men.

Most men are wanting to feel respected which we as men will call love. When we are respected and honored we feel loved.

So if your idea that women need to feel provided for is not love, then the man needing respect would not be love either.

Men don't feel loved when they are not respected. Women don't feel loved when they are not provided for.

Neither one is being all that unconditional. And what would be the point of marrying anyone if you have no needs to be met. Just stay single.

Men don't just give love with no expectations. They expect some things out of a lifetime commitment to a woman and the things they expect from it will make all the unpleasant parts tolerable.

If the question is who is more likely to consistently live the "LOVE IS A CHOICE" life and choose to love no matter what, men or women? It is probably going to "appear" to you that men are better at this. But this is because men are "task oriented" and they will go about it as a task to complete, and see it through to the end as a job to get done, and this is really not the love the women is looking for so it is not appreciated by anyone but the man himself and then he feels ... well you know, disrespected, and unappreciated for his sacrifices.

 

[GdaxBbb]

Because giving birth to and raising children does not entail giving anything of yourself? smh.

Nobody said anything about offspring, how does relate to loving your husband? Also majority of the time people have children for selfish reasons because it will make you "feelz" good when they act all cute. Don't bring up having children like it's some grand act of selfless love, if that was the case people would probably adopt the all the homeless parentless kids.

And again not speaking about loving offspring.

 

[Magenta]

Nobody said anything about offspring

You did. Are you nobody?

Whereas for woman the reasons seem more concrete and primary, I want security, a husband, a family, I want to be a mom it's things they need to be happy as opposed to giving of self and making others happy.

 

[GdaxBbb]

We are painting with a broad brush here but since we are, let's paint the men.

Most men are wanting to feel respected which we as men will call love. When we are respected and honored we feel loved.

So if your idea that women need to feel provided for is not love, then the man needing respect would not be love either.

Men don't feel loved when they are not respected. Women don't feel loved when they are not provided for.

Neither one is being all that unconditional. And what would be the point of marrying anyone if you have no needs to be met. Just stay single.

Men don't just give love with no expectations. They expect some things out of a lifetime commitment to a woman and the things they expect from it will make all the unpleasant parts tolerable.

If the question is who is more likely to consistently live the "LOVE IS A CHOICE" life and choose to love no matter what, men or women? It is probably going to "appear" to you that men are better at this. But this is because men are "task oriented" and they will go about it as a task to complete, and see it through to the end as a job to get done, and this is really not the love the women is looking for so it is not appreciated by anyone but the man himself and then he feels ... well you know, disrespected, and unappreciated for his sacrifices.

Yeah very broad brushes.

That is the whole general point, when Man is neglected not respected ect. he still sticks to his vows for whatever reason. Demonstrating some sort of selfless love for x prolonged period of time.

Whereas for woman in general the constant x is usually much much more short lived.

And I'm speaking in general about demonstrating true love, not about feeling loved. It seems like for woman to demonstrate true love they need external stimuli from their man or else they just don't do it naturally. Whereas man can get the stimuli from within himself.

Basically your "Love is a choice" seems to very heavily towards man, as opposed to woman, and even in those circumstances is it because of external factors like man sparking the flame, society, religion or is it an act of free will to choose to love.

 

[GdaxBbb]

You did. Are you nobody?

The main point of this thread is giving of self to your husband man, not about your offspring. You seemed to have missed the point of me mentioning those things in that reply. Those are all naturally selfish things when they become the primary purpose of getting in a relationship.

Just because child birth is hard doesn't mean motivations aren't selfish, if you think the child is going to bring you joy which 99% of people think. A very selfish reason to have children, nobody thinks what world am I going to be bringing the child into, how will I raise it, I will have a child for greater motives like populating the species so it doesn't die.

It's child makes me happy, basically reproduce my own DNA (selfish)

 

[Magenta]

The main point of this thread is giving of self to your husband man, not about your offspring. You seemed to have missed the point of me mentioning those things in that reply. Those are all naturally selfish things when they become the primary purpose of getting in a relationship.

Just because child birth is hard doesn't mean motivations aren't selfish, if you think the child is going to bring you joy which 99% of people think. A very selfish reason to have children, nobody thinks what world am I going to be bringing the child into, how will I raise it, I will have a child for greater motives like populating the species so it doesn't die.

It's child makes me happy, basically reproduce my own DNA (selfish)

I did not miss that your attitude towards women stinks compared to the saints you make men out to be. Oh, because men are so altruistic in their search for arm candy and sexual fulfillment, right? They just want someone to selflessly share their life with

PS~ if you introduce something into the convo, you should not say nobody said anything about that.

 

[GdaxBbb]

I did not miss that your attitude towards women stinks compared to the saints you make men out to be. Oh, because men are so altruistic in their search for arm candy and sexual fulfillment, right? They just want someone to selflessly share their life with

PS~ if you introduce something into the convo, you should not say nobody said anything about that.

If you read anything instead of taking a hostile tone because the word woman was mentioned, you would see I bashed majority of men too, and defended against a typical argument of "offspring". Me mentioning something doesn't give it the meaning you think it meant. Feel free to carry on.

Also don't use arm candy sexual fulfillment pretty weak argument as woman have those same requirements for spouses, Physically attractive and sex that's genderless.

Also your arm candy argument is weak in general even if you meant to apply it only towards men, as that means older men would all be trading in their fat out of shape wives for hot 20 year olds, but a vast majority don't.

 

[Scribe]

Yeah very broad brushes.

That is the whole general point, when Man is neglected not respected ect. he still sticks to his vows for whatever reason. Demonstrating some sort of selfless love for x prolonged period of time.

Whereas for woman in general the constant x is usually much much more short lived.

And I'm speaking in general about demonstrating true love, not about feeling loved. It seems like for woman to demonstrate true love they need external stimuli from their man or else they just don't do it naturally. Whereas man can get the stimuli from within himself.

Basically your "Love is a choice" seems to very heavily towards man, as opposed to woman, and even in those circumstances is it because of external factors like man sparking the flame, society, religion or is it an act of free will to choose to love.

This may be the case because the man sees the choice as a task to complete. Such as "I made my bed, I will lie in it. Because that is what a real man does" Similar to "I underbid this construction job, but I will see it through to the end even if it costs me more than I am making" His character and commitment to "Do what's right" is commendable but not really what the woman is looking for. She wants to know that He loves her for her, for identifiable reasons that can be expressed and articulated, not just because he "has too", or is stuck with her.

I think it is true that there are many women who are going to make a man's live miserable because they are covetous and want to be like people they envy. They will be rottenness to the mans bones. Proverbs attempts to lead a young man into wisdom in finding a good wife of wisdom instead of a foolish wife of folly and whoa to the man who chooses the wrong one. It can be applied to women as well but it specifically uses the young man and the Father giving advice as an example and the kind of women to avoid and the kind to marry.

There is a great book by Dr. Ed Wheat called "Love Life" and it is all about Love being a choice. I will recommend each couple planning on marrying read it as part of my premarital counseling in the future. It is an old book and there is probably and updated version.

 

[Scribe]

The main point of this thread is giving of self to your husband man, not about your offspring. You seemed to have missed the point of me mentioning those things in that reply. Those are all naturally selfish things when they become the primary purpose of getting in a relationship.

Just because child birth is hard doesn't mean motivations aren't selfish, if you think the child is going to bring you joy which 99% of people think. A very selfish reason to have children, nobody thinks what world am I going to be bringing the child into, how will I raise it, I will have a child for greater motives like populating the species so it doesn't die.

It's child makes me happy, basically reproduce my own DNA (selfish)

It is a naturally God given desire for women to have children for the joy that it will bring her. To call that evil, or selfish would be crazy thinking and unhealthy. Women and men marry for reasons that bring them happiness not just to selflessly populate the earth. It is not selfish for a woman to expect things from a marriage that will make her happy. Otherwise don't marry.