Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?

[AlmondJoy]

K
No,

He comeback immediately after tribulation

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Why do you think Paul preached as though Jesus could come back even in his day?

"We which are alive and remain shall be caught up " including himself......etc

 

[Jackson123]

Those left behind are killed by refusing the mark.
Why do you think the jews are ushered to safety (including the 144k) with the devil hot on their heels?

"Unless those days be shortened no flesh should be saved"

All refusing the mark die.
That eliminates a post or mid trib rapture

The gathering off the earth mid trib or towards the end of the gt (Rev 14) ,TOTALLY eliminates a postrib resurrection.
TOALLY.

I never read a verse that say those that killed by Satan is christian that left behind rapture.

 

[KJV1611]

K
No,

He comeback immediately after tribulation

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes he came back three days after the tribulation of those days.

 

[Jackson123]

Why do you think Paul preached as though Jesus could come back even in his day?

"We which are alive and remain shall be caught up " including himself......etc

Did he?
Jesus say immediately after tribulation

This what Paul say
2 tes 2

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

It seem jesus comeback after man of lawlessness or antichrist or great tribulation

 

[AlmondJoy]

Did he?

Yes.... notice the words WE

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:14‭-‬17 KJV

 

[KJV1611]

Yes.... notice the words WE

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:14‭-‬17 KJV

I realize your not talking to me but it’s very important to know that every believer is caught up to be with the Lord just prior to the death of this body. Enoch is the biblical example of this, it can also somewhat be seen in Stephens death.

 

[AlmondJoy]

I realize your not talking to me but it’s very important to know that every believer is caught up to be with the Lord just prior to the death of this body. Enoch is the biblical example of this, it can also somewhat be seen in Stephens death.

My point was that Paul preached that Jesus could return in his day.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds"

Btw: I that Enoch was a wasnot......who didn't die

 

[Absolutely]

"left behind" was there not a movie by that name. Only God's children will refuse to take the mark of the beast, why would God's children be "left behind" according to your theory?

Mat 25.

The bible is the source.

 

[Absolutely]

The rapture of God's elect, his Bride the Church, is not in question. The timing preached, of God's elect, his Bride the Church's rapture is in question. Scriptures tells us that God's elect, his Bride the Church's rapture is with the return of Christ, after the great tribulation.

From Matthew 24, after the great tribulation, at the return of Christ, the God's elect, his bride the Church, gets raptured, before there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for those not raptured:

Matthew 24 (NKJV)

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 38For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 50the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

From your verses.
""38For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. ""
See that?
BEFORE THE FLOOD

So simple.

but hey,just ignore it.

 

[Absolutely]

Before the flood

One taken,one left

Watch and pray

Nothing of that is a post trib/flood rapture.

Not even remotely plausable.

Pssst....you guys need a post trib gathering.

Pssst....the second coming is with horses,war,destruction,killing,and power.

None of the pretrib gathering Jesus describes fit your theory of a postrib rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

Agreed, the same warning appears in Matthew 24, elaborating on the same events, of the antichrist during the great tribulation preceding the return of our real Christ:

Matthew 24 (NKJV)

4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes he is returning postrib

Both sides believe that.

What do you think you have established?

"left behind" was there not a movie by that name. Only God's children will refuse to take the mark of the beast, why would God's children be "left behind" according to your theory?

Again mat 25
Only those worthy went with Jesus.

The ones left behind were not worthy.

"Why?"

I ask you why

We see what it says.

"Why" does not mean we can change it to suit your theory

 

[KJV1611]

My point was that Paul preached that Jesus could return in his day.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds"

Btw: I that Enoch was a wasnot......who didn't die

Hebrews says that Enoch didn’t see his death but Hebrews also says that “all these died”, which includes Enoch.

 

[AlmondJoy]

Hebrews says that Enoch didn’t see his death but Hebrews also says that “all these died”, which includes Enoch.

Nope.....Enoch didn't die

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV

 

[KJV1611]

Nope.....Enoch didn't die

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV

Heb 11:13 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

 

[AlmondJoy]

Heb 11:13 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Lol.....undoubtedly "these" didn't include Enoch.....I don't see were the argument is. God plainly said he didn't die......

 

[Truth7t7]

Heb 11:13 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

The scripture is very clear, Enoch didnt die, it tells you right to your eyeballs

Scripture dosent contradict itself as you suggest,Enoch is excluded from verse 11,(These all died) that pertains to the rest mentioned, not Enoch

That's 6th grade reading comprehension, smiles!

Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[pottersclay]

Well the op has stated that the pre-trib is false teaching, what if I could prove that it is not but infact necessary to happen?

What if I could show you right in the gospels where it begins and will soon take place?

Would anyone be interested?

 

[Truth7t7]

Well the op has stated that the pre-trib is false teaching, what if I could prove that it is not but infact necessary to happen?

What if I could show you right in the gospels where it begins and will soon take place?

Would anyone be interested?

How could you find, something that doesn't exist in scripture.

You might find a pre-trib rapture in books of man, but not the scripture, a fact

 

[KJV1611]

Lol.....undoubtedly "these" didn't include Enoch.....I don't see were the argument is. God plainly said he didn't die......

In Hebrews it says that Enoch was translated that he should not SEE death. It doesn’t say that Enoch's body didn’t die, only that Enoch didn’t see the death of his body.

Would you agree that Enoch’s spirit was translated out of his body and then his body died?

 

[KJV1611]

The scripture is very clear, Enoch didnt die, it tells you right to your eyeballs

Scripture dosent contradict itself as you suggest,Enoch is excluded from verse 11,(These all died) that pertains to the rest mentioned, not Enoch

That's 6th grade reading comprehension, smiles!

Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Show me the verse that says Enoch’s body didn’t die?