A Divided Church?

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Fourty and Two Months isn't Twelve Hundred and Sixty Years, it would have been written so, it isnt

God gives his prophetic words so his children can understand, yes Gods words are beyond crystal ball.

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Following your rules you are requiring that in Daniel 9 the 70 weeks must be 70 weeks! For this is what God's word says!!
It means that 70 x 7 days = 490 days. Period. End of discussion.
Therefore the last week is seven days. So by your our rules the antichrist will only rule 7 days!!!
According to your own rules we can conclude this before any fulfillment takes place.
According to your own rules you make God's word contradict itself. You make God a liar.

 

[Truth7t7]

Following your rules you are requiring that in Daniel 9 the 70 weeks must be 70 weeks! For this is what God's word says!!
It means that 70 x 7 days = 490 days. Period. End of discussion.
Therefore the last week is seven days. So by your our rules the antichrist will only rule 7 days!!!
According to your own rules we can conclude this before any fulfillment takes place.
According to your own rules you make God's word contradict itself. You make God a liar.

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So what you are claiming is that the Book of Daniel does NOT anywhere foretell of Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

what are you claiming here???

 

[Truth7t7]

what are you claiming here???

When the future Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem in the 70th literal week, the 3.5 year, 42 month or 1260 day tribulation starts

 

[Truth7t7]

So what you are claiming is that the Book of Daniel does NOT anywhere foretell of Jesus of Nazareth.

I dont know anything about Daniel foretelling Christ, feel free to post the scripture with an explanation?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I dont know anything about Daniel foretelling Christ, feel free to post the scripture with an explanation?

I know you don't. But all scriptures points to Christ. Daniel points to Christ. You deny this?

 

[Dino246]

I dont know anything about Daniel foretelling Christ, feel free to post the scripture with an explanation?

Daniel does so in chapter 2:44-45 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. Just as you saw that a stone was broken off from the mountain without hands, and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future....

That "stone" is Jesus Christ.

Daniel also prophesies the Messiah in chapter 9:24-26 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with streets and moat, even in times of distress. Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

"Messiah the Prince" is Jesus Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

Daniel does so in chapter 2:44-45 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. Just as you saw that a stone was broken off from the mountain without hands, and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future....

That "stone" is Jesus Christ.

Daniel also prophesies the Messiah in chapter 9:24-26 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with streets and moat, even in times of distress. Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

"Messiah the Prince" is Jesus Christ.

Yes Jesus is the corner stone the builders rejected, he will break the kingdoms at the second coming end of this world.

I agree,the Jews are going to be building in the future to their prophesied Messiah

They are only 1900+ years off

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Yes Jesus is the corner stone the builders rejected, he will break the kingdoms at the second coming end of this world.

I agree,the Jews are going to be building in the future to their prophesied Messiah

They are only 1900+ years off

You deny Christ in Book of Daniel. At same time you also hide the antichrist in Book of Daniel.

 

[Truth7t7]

You deny Christ in Book of Daniel. At same time you also hide the antichrist in Book of Daniel.

Your claim is false, I dont deny Christ is in the book of Daniel, nor the antichrist

(Fake News)

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Yes Jesus is the corner stone the builders rejected, he will break the kingdoms at the second coming end of this world.

I agree,the Jews are going to be building in the future to their prophesied Messiah

They are only 1900+ years off

Your claim is false, I dont deny Christ is in the book of Daniel, nor the antichrist

(Fake News)

Yes you did. If not then where is Jesus of Nazareth foretold in Book Daniel?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes you did. If not then where is Jesus of Nazareth foretold in Book Daniel?

Feel free to show me, I dont claim to know, other than what Dino defined on the stone

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Feel free to show me, I dont claim to know?

You claim to know Book of Daniel, You claim to know the future based on Book of Daniel, and yet you know not where Christ is in Daniel?

 

[Truth7t7]

You claim to know Book of Daniel, You claim to know the future based on Book of Daniel, and yet you know not where Christ is in Daniel?

I have no need to look, nor am I trying to keep up with the folly

Feel free to explain your concern

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I have no need to look, nor am I trying to keep up with the folly

Feel free to explain your concern

Dino shared. I will also. Daniel 8:25 also foretells of Jesus of Nazerath, calling him the Prince of princes, and how he breaks satan, with no human hand.

 

[peldom10]

When the future Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem in the 70th literal week, the 3.5 year, 42 month or 1260 day tribulation starts

No...the AC is revealed during the trib. period....when he desecrates the newly built temple....by declaring that he is god..in the temple.

 

[Truth7t7]

No...the AC is revealed during the trib. period....when he desecrates the newly built temple....by declaring that he is god..in the temple.

You believe there is a 7 year tribulation, scripture dosent teach this

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal days, not years as many claim

 

[mustaphadrink]

I have to take strong exception to many of your comments.

The primary purpose of the Church/Assembly is the "Edification" of the Saints. Therefore teaching is front and center with Worship. A true God called Man/Pastor will be an able teacher. In addition we are commanded to keep the Lord's Day.

While it is true that most so called Churches that I have attended over the years, don't teach enough Scripture - that is teaching so that Scripture interprets Scripture, to choke a gnat. They are full of Humanism. Cute little stories that don't teach a hill of beans.

There have always been problems in the assemblies on Earth, just read the first three chapters of Revelation. (These seven assemblies represent the assemblies of every age).

Fellowship is great but fellowship without leadership can be disastrous. Fellowship without an elder/teacher to guide, can lead to error in Doctrine and groups of differing opinion.

The largest problem I see today, is severe Doctrinal error, if not down right Heresy. Each true believer must decide how they are going to limit their fellowship. If we compromise Truth then we can have more fellowship with men but risk losing fellowship with God. Or we can stand firmly for Truth and lose fellowship with men but gain blessing from God.

I have difficulty with your response as you do not seem to have anything from scripture to back up what you claim. All you seem to be doing is making a few claims that reflect modern-day Christianity and jumping from one topic to another which are unrelated.

Have you done any study at a Ph.D. level for this or anything systematic to get the whole picture? If you haven't, best stay away from the topic until you have a full understanding of the issues, otherwise you descend into an opinion that has no authority other than to the person writing it.

 

[awelight]

I have difficulty with your response as you do not seem to have anything from scripture to back up what you claim. All you seem to be doing is making a few claims that reflect modern-day Christianity and jumping from one topic to another which are unrelated.

Have you done any study at a Ph.D. level for this or anything systematic to get the whole picture? If you haven't, best stay away from the topic until you have a full understanding of the issues, otherwise you descend into an opinion that has no authority other than to the person writing it.

Who set you up as Judge and Jury? Let those who read decide.

Do I have a Ph.D. in Theology from some seminary.....NO, thank God. From what I have seen coming out of these in modern years, I thank God every day, He kept me from these liberal and heretical institutions. By the way, you do know such institutions are not Biblical. There is no so called place to be taught in Scripture, apart from the Assembly and the preaching of the Word; as well as, through ones own study and leadership of the Holy Spirit. But you want Scripture:

1) On Edification: 1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men edification, and exhortation, and consolation.
-- Rom 14:19 So then let us follow after things which make for peace, and things whereby we may edify one another.
-- 1Th_5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

2) My next few paragraphs were self explanatory..... Did you read the first three chapters of Revelation?

3) The Doctrinal errors and Heresy of most churches today is self evident to most true believers. 1Jn 4:5,6 They are of the world: therefore speak they as of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he who is not of God heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
-- Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

In the final argument, which churches are Biblically correct? The Mormons and their additional Bible? The Jehovah Witnesses, who deny Christ's Eternal Sonship.? The Catholic's, who believe in worshipping Mary and teach transubstantiation and set the Pope up as if he were a god. The Baptist, who in the sixties, determined to do away with the "Impeccability" of Christ, so that they could teach a savior, more like fallen man and appeal to more of the World. Shall we go on? I think not.

What about Doctrine? Are the churches magnifying "Free Will", are they correct or are the ones promoting God's Sovereign choice in Election? What about the Antinomian teachings? Is God Triune or are the Unitarians correct? Is there going to be a physical Kingdom on Earth or are the A-millennialist correct in their views? Was Christ the God-man or just a blessed man? Maybe now you see, why I said the things that I did.

Fellowship must, must, must be around the TRUTH of God's Word. One can not fellowship around opinions or doctrines that are steeped in error or downright heretical views. Unless of coarse, one is a part of the "world church".

The true assembly, is led by the elder that has been called of God. He edifies the Saints, through the proclaiming of God's Word, as written in the Scriptures. Administers discipline as needed, to the sheep he has been given charge over. All believers, who have been born of the Spirit, worship God in Spirit and Truth. No other form of Worship is acceptable to God. John 4:23,24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.