A Divided Church?

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 24:26 English Standard Version
So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. -- FULFILLED --

For thousands of followers, Vissarion is no less than the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth, reincarnated 2000 years after his crucifixion, deep in the Siberian wilderness.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/vissarion-siberias-second-coming-of-christ-20090831-f4oe.html

The ole ex traffic cop in Russia, fulfillment of the second coming?

That's beyond tabloid material, big smiles!

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Vissarion: Siberia's second coming of Christ
9 IMAGESFor thousands of followers, Vissarion is no less than the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth, reincarnated 2000 years after his crucifixion, deep in the Siberian wilderness.
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Russian ex-traffic cop Sergei Torop, known as 'Vissarion the Teacher', or 'Jesus of Siberia', meets with his followers in the remote village of Petropavlovka.CREDIT:AFP

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I believe Matthew 24:26 is a future event unfulfilled, when the antichrist has taken his seat, the warning is against the deception seen in Rev 13:13-14 below

Matthew 24:26 (Future) Unfulfilled

Matthew 24:24-26KJV
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

To find Vissarion, you fly 3,700km east from Moscow to the southern Siberian town of Abakan, north of the Mongolian border, then drive for six hours along rutted roads through a string of villages. Where the road ends in a rollercoaster of craters, the bog begins, and you trudge knee-deep in mud and ice for three hours before the final ascent to the "saviour", a steep hour's climb up a mountain path.

Vissarion's commune is governed by arcane rituals, laws, symbols, prayers, hymns, and a new calendar. A strict code of conduct is enforced: no vices are permitted. Veganism is compulsory for all, though exceptions can be made for infants and lactating mothers, who are allowed sour milk products (if they can find them). There is no animal husbandry. Monetary exchange is banned within the commune, and only reluctantly allowed with the outside world.

I disagree, the future Antichrist will take his place in Jerusalem, the deception will be as a false Messiah to the Jews and world, Rome dosent fit the ticket

A Literal Human Man, (The Beast) with literal bodies laying in a street in (Jerusalem) not Rome

Revelation 11:7-8KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

So you agree that Christ is in the Tabernacle?

 

[Truth7t7]

To find Vissarion, you fly 3,700km east from Moscow to the southern Siberian town of Abakan, north of the Mongolian border, then drive for six hours along rutted roads through a string of villages. Where the road ends in a rollercoaster of craters, the bog begins, and you trudge knee-deep in mud and ice for three hours before the final ascent to the "saviour", a steep hour's climb up a mountain path.

Vissarion's commune is governed by arcane rituals, laws, symbols, prayers, hymns, and a new calendar. A strict code of conduct is enforced: no vices are permitted. Veganism is compulsory for all, though exceptions can be made for infants and lactating mothers, who are allowed sour milk products (if they can find them). There is no animal husbandry. Monetary exchange is banned within the commune, and only reluctantly allowed with the outside world.


So you agree that Christ is in the Tabernacle?

Your vissarion being Jesus and the second coming is a tabloid fairytale, are you serious?

Please post you claim of Jesus being in the tabernacle, I don't have a clue on your thought or claim?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Your vissarion being Jesus and the second coming is a tabloid fairytale, are you serious?

Please post you claim of Jesus being in the tabernacle, I don't have a clue on your thought or claim?

Matthew 24:26 applies to every generation. Every generation can see the fulfillment of Matthew 24:26 to help navigate through the deceptions of the world. Are you serious that you can't see this?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I disagree, the future Antichrist will take his place in Jerusalem, the deception will be as a false Messiah to the Jews and world, Rome dosent fit the ticket

A Literal Human Man, (The Beast) with literal bodies laying in a street in (Jerusalem) not Rome

Revelation 11:7-8KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

You are so blinded by future predictions that you throw out the reality of today in order to reserve the place where this future prediction supposedly fits. It is painful to watch.

It is like watching some guy who had a beautiful, wonderful girlfriend who loved him very much, but he never noticed her and threw away the wonderful relationship because of his obsession with wanting to seek a future relationship with a popular hollywood actress.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 24:26 applies to every generation. Every generation can see the fulfillment of Matthew 24:26 to help navigate through the deceptions of the world. Are you serious that you can't see this?

I disagree with the reformed eschatology in historicism's perspective, that the Caesars and Popes are in a constant fulfillment throughout history.

The Antichrist will be a future human man of Jewish/Hebrew decent, his headquarters will be in Jerusalem

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I disagree, the future Antichrist will take his place in Jerusalem, the deception will be as a false Messiah to the Jews and world, Rome dosent fit the ticket

A Literal Human Man, (The Beast) with literal bodies laying in a street in (Jerusalem) not Rome

Revelation 11:7-8KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Church of the Holy Sepulchre is a church in the Christian Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem.
So even in Jerusalem it is claimed that Christ is in the Tabernacle. Matthew 24:26 fulfilled.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are so blinded by future predictions that you throw out the reality of today in order to reserve the place where this future prediction supposedly fits. It is painful to watch.

It is like watching some guy who had a beautiful, wonderful girlfriend who loved him very much, but he never noticed her and threw away the wonderful relationship because of his obsession with wanting to seek a future relationship with a popular hollywood actress.

You know my history as a young man, lots of beautiful girlfriends, and I was always looking for that Hollywood Actress

But it's all about Jesus Now, Amen!

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I disagree with the reformed eschatology in historicism's perspective, that the Caesars and Popes are in a constant fulfillment throughout history.

The Antichrist will be a future human man of Jewish/Hebrew decent, his headquarters will be in Jerusalem

I know why you want to cling to your crystal ball. It's because you don't want to see how bad the world really is.

 

[Truth7t7]

Church of the Holy Sepulchre is a church in the Christian Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem.
So even in Jerusalem it is claimed that Christ is in the Tabernacle. Matthew 24:26 fulfilled.

Your grasping at straw in the air, in desperate attempts for fulfillment.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Your grasping at straw in the air, in desperate attempts for fulfillment.

Wrong. The obvious fulfillment is everywhere, but you don't want to see it, or acknowledge it, or even talk of it. You want to pretend it is not there.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Here is one of the many, many false miracles that the catholic church uses to deceive the world.

The Holy Fire (Greek Ἃγιον Φῶς, "Holy Light") is described by Orthodox Christians as a miracle that occurs every year at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem on Great Saturday, or Holy Saturday, the day preceding Orthodox Easter.

Orthodox tradition holds that the Holy Fire happens annually on the day preceding Orthodox Pascha (Orthodox Easter). During this time, blue light is said to emit within Jesus Christ's tomb,

The Holy Fire is taken to Greece by special flight,[9] and similarly to other Orthodox countries or countries with major Orthodox churches, such as Georgia, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Romania, Cyprus, North Macedonia, Serbia, Ukraine and Russia, being received by church and state leaders.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Your grasping at straw in the air, in desperate attempts for fulfillment.

Let's try another one.
Does 1 Timothy 4:3 have fulfillment?
Or is this also exclusively reserved for your 7 year, Jerusalem-inhabiting, blah blah... antichrist?

1 Timothy 4:3
New International Version
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Answer: YES
1) Catholic Church forbids marriage of priest and nuns, and forbids eating of meat on Fridays.

2) Shakers
Shakers were celibate; procreation was forbidden after they joined the society (except for women who were already pregnant at admission). Children were added to their communities through indenture, adoption, or conversion. Occasionally a foundling was anonymously left on a Shaker doorstep.[45] They welcomed all, often taking in orphans and the homeless. For children, Shaker life was structured, safe and predictable, with no shortage of adults who cared about their young charges.[46]

When Shaker youngsters, girls and boys, reached the age of 21, they were free to leave or to remain with the Shakers. Unwilling to remain celibate, many chose to leave; today there are thousands of descendants of Shaker-raised seceders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

3) Jesus of Siberia. In his cult "Veganism is enforced".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-reincarnation-jesus-arrested-siberia-russia

 

[Truth7t7]

Let's try another one.
Does 1 Timothy 4:3 have fulfillment?
Or is this also exclusively reserved for your 7 year, Jerusalem-inhabiting, blah blah... antichrist?

1 Timothy 4:3
New International Version
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Answer: YES
1) Catholic Church forbids marriage of priest and nuns, and forbids eating of meat on Fridays.

2) Shakers
Shakers were celibate; procreation was forbidden after they joined the society (except for women who were already pregnant at admission). Children were added to their communities through indenture, adoption, or conversion. Occasionally a foundling was anonymously left on a Shaker doorstep.[45] They welcomed all, often taking in orphans and the homeless. For children, Shaker life was structured, safe and predictable, with no shortage of adults who cared about their young charges.[46]

When Shaker youngsters, girls and boys, reached the age of 21, they were free to leave or to remain with the Shakers. Unwilling to remain celibate, many chose to leave; today there are thousands of descendants of Shaker-raised seceders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

3) Jesus of Siberia. In his cult "Veganism is enforced".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-reincarnation-jesus-arrested-siberia-russia

A Future Event, Unfulfilled

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Truth7t7]

Let's try another one.
Does 1 Timothy 4:3 have fulfillment?
Or is this also exclusively reserved for your 7 year, Jerusalem-inhabiting, blah blah... antichrist?

1 Timothy 4:3
New International Version
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Answer: YES
1) Catholic Church forbids marriage of priest and nuns, and forbids eating of meat on Fridays.

2) Shakers
Shakers were celibate; procreation was forbidden after they joined the society (except for women who were already pregnant at admission). Children were added to their communities through indenture, adoption, or conversion. Occasionally a foundling was anonymously left on a Shaker doorstep.[45] They welcomed all, often taking in orphans and the homeless. For children, Shaker life was structured, safe and predictable, with no shortage of adults who cared about their young charges.[46]

When Shaker youngsters, girls and boys, reached the age of 21, they were free to leave or to remain with the Shakers. Unwilling to remain celibate, many chose to leave; today there are thousands of descendants of Shaker-raised seceders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

3) Jesus of Siberia. In his cult "Veganism is enforced".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-reincarnation-jesus-arrested-siberia-russia

(Future) Literal Prophets Returned, Literal Plagues, Upon A Literal World.

(Future-Literal) just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh and the plagues of Egypt were Literal

Revelation 11:3-15KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

(Future) Literal Prophets Returned, Literal Plagues, Upon A Literal World.

(Future-Literal) just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh and the plagues of Egypt were Literal

Revelation 11:3-15KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The false teachers have taken so much of the New Testament away from you. Again you take some simple warning in scripture that is applicable to every believer here and now in their fight against, and you confound it by linking it so some verses in Revelation. You must be very careful. It seems you are not. You must fear God for the kingdom is at hand here and now.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

(Future) Literal Plagues, Upon A Literal World.

(Future-Literal) just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh and the plagues of Egypt were Literal

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The Black Death was a literal plague upon a literal world. It fell on a people who bore the mark of the beast and worshipped its image. But you reject this also because it doesn't comply with your crystal ball fortune telling.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Black Death was a literal plague upon a literal world. It fell on a people who bore the mark of the beast and worshipped its image. But you reject this also because it doesn't comply with your crystal ball fortune telling.

The future Antichrist is given a specific amount of time 42 months, this doesn't equate into Millenia throughout history as you believe

Revelation 13:4-5KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The future Antichrist is given a specific amount of time 42 months, this doesn't equate into Millenia throughout history as you believe

Revelation 13:4-5KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

You don't know if the 42 months are 1260 days or 1260 yrs. The Word of God is written this way for that reason. You are NOT God. Only God knows what will transpire before it happens. You do not know what will transpire before it happens. What you preach is false.
We can only know what the 42 months means AFTER it happens.

1 Kings 20:11
The king of Israel answered, "Tell him: 'One who puts on his armor should not boast like one who takes it off.'"

You are one who is boasting when your armor has not even been put on yet (mean your predictions have not happened yet). You are in error.

 

[Truth7t7]

You don't know if the 42 months are 1260 days or 1260 yrs. The Word of God is written this way for that reason. You are NOT God. Only God knows what will transpire before it happens. You do not know what will transpire before it happens. What you preach is false.
We can only know what the 42 months means AFTER it happens.

1 Kings 20:11
The king of Israel answered, "Tell him: 'One who puts on his armor should not boast like one who takes it off.'"

You are one who is boasting when your armor has not even been put on yet (mean your predictions have not happened yet). You are in error.

Fourty and Two Months isn't Twelve Hundred and Sixty Years, it would have been written so, it isnt

God gives his prophetic words so his children can understand, yes Gods words are beyond crystal ball.

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.