The 10 Commandments

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eternally-gratefull

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gb9 said:
you should stop asking tough questions. and making Biblical sense. the Sabbatarians are struggling with this, since their theology is based on opinions...
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It is sad when they puff themselves up as obeying Gods law. Yet are incapable of explaining what that looks like
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Prior to Moses, there was no command for sabbath keeping. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

I rest on Sunday, which is my day off from work, but I don't consider that to be keeping the sabbath under the law. Now of course, I've basically been condemned by certain SDA's and Armstrongites (those who attend the Worldwide church of God) for working on Saturday. They told me I was not keeping the sabbath day and was "willfully sinning" by failing to do so. That is absolute LEGALISM! I am not an Israelite under the old covenant law.
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Yes,it was not called sabbath until it was commanded in the law,

but I do believe we should rest one day, as God rested as our example we should rest,

but it’s not the legalistic form of rest being promoted
 
GandalfTheWhite

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mailmandan said:
Prior to Moses, there was no command for sabbath keeping. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

I rest on Sunday, which is my day off from work, but I don't consider that to be keeping the sabbath under the law. Now of course, I've basically been condemned by certain SDA's and Armstrongites (those who attend the Worldwide church of God) for working on Saturday. They told me I was not keeping the sabbath day and was "willfully sinning" by failing to do so. That is absolute LEGALISM! I am not an Israelite under the old covenant law.
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My wife and I are trying to keep the Sabbath for the last year now, not because I want my ticket punched for the train to heaven but I am trying to be obedient.

2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

I can't even begin to judge you or anybody for not keeping the Sabbath because I am guilty of it. This past Saturday without thinking I was buying some things and afterwards I had to sit down and say... whoops... focus.

I do believe that Sabbath keeping is between the individual and Abba Father. The rest of the 9 was a lot easier for me to associate with.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It is sad when they puff themselves up as obeying Gods law. Yet are incapable of explaining what that looks like
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The Bible teach us what to do, but for one I try not to buy and sell anymore, and also I do not work (my daily work that earns me money) on the Sabbath anymore.
 
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It is interesting how the 4th commandment has the most information of what we should do and why we should do it. I always found it fascinating, but yet it is the commandment that is being argued more than any of the other 9 because the rest automatically forms part of our moral being because of the way we are raised.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Is that the gospel?
Is the law or 10 commandments able to save?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Will this keep you saved?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Someone in this thread said that the commandments are engraved in stone and therefore indelible. Where are the stones?
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Someone in this thread said that the commandments are engraved in stone and therefore indelible. Where are the stones?
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The stones were kept in the Arc of the Covenant and YHVH wrote on them with His own finger.

Today the commandments are kept in our hearts and that is why you will know it is morally wrong to murder, steal and fornicate. Some of the commandments, like blasphemy is sugar coated by the world and we have a generation with no fear and respect for their Creator.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
The stones were kept in the Arc of the Covenant and YHVH wrote on them with His own finger.

Today the commandments are kept in our hearts and that is why you will know it is morally wrong to murder, steal and fornicate. Some of the commandments, like blasphemy is sugar coated by the world and we have a generation with no fear and respect for their Creator.
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So because I have the Holy Spirit who causes me to love I have no need of these commandments.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
The stones were kept in the Arc of the Covenant and YHVH wrote on them with His own finger.

Today the commandments are kept in our hearts and that is why you will know it is morally wrong to murder, steal and fornicate. Some of the commandments, like blasphemy is sugar coated by the world and we have a generation with no fear and respect for their Creator.
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like every time a young person says or spells O M G.

blasphemy each and every time it is said or typed....
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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gb9 said:
like every time a young person says or spells O M G.

blasphemy each and every time it is said or typed....
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How is it blasphemy
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Blackpowderduelist said:
So because I have the Holy Spirit who causes me to love I have no need of these commandments.
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The only thing that is debatable out of the 10 commandments is the 4th commandment. The rest is moral law, even in our modern age... Unless you are an atheist or an idol worshipper then you might look at 6 or 7.

My keeping the Sabbath has got nothing to do with me "earning" my salvation. I am obedient to God and it is between me and Him. If I falter I don't repent to CC's members :) I discuss it with Abba Father Himself ;)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes,it was not called sabbath until it was commanded in the law,

but I do believe we should rest one day, as God rested as our example we should rest,

but it’s not the legalistic form of rest being promoted
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The Sunday worshippers seem to have a log in their eyes, and that log makes them make all kind of false accusations.

When God established a Sabbath, it was to have both a literal and spiritual rest. We can rest in Christ for He takes care of all our sins, and we are told to also rest from our labors. So that is scripture, not to be used to accuse, judge, and blame.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
What am I trying to say?
as dan posted in the law there are certain things that must be followed in obeying the sabbath

If you are not doing this things. Your not obeying the sabbath. You are watering down the command

You don’t like that? Take it up with Moses
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JOHN 5 [44] How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? [45] Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. [46] For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. [47] But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 
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