Who will Win

[lenna]

Yeah that's not a thing, if you slander or libel someone you can be sued
That's why Fox news was sued for libel by the family of the Sandy Hook victims

well they should have been

but this is not Sandy Hook and if libel and slander were what this is about?

then by jiminy, the last 4 years with the left libeling, slandering and lying, are all culpable

 

[lenna]

I don't know what you mean by, "that's not a thing." It seems you are denying that censorship exists. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions (such as media companies), and other controlling bodies.

the left gets no such censorship unless, like the New York Times, they happen to pay attention the Biden family scandal

then, they get the same treatment

I think that tweet probably falls under 'inconvenient' for Biden and the left

 

[Dude653]

I don't know what you mean by, "that's not a thing." It seems you are denying that censorship exists. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions (such as media companies), and other controlling bodies.

Private owned media companies are under no obligation to honor your free speech
They are also protecting themselves from liability
I mean if I made a Facebook post telling people to take a bath with a toaster then common Sense will be for them to take it down

 

[lenna]

People are scared, misinformed, some are happy, some sad, some are disconnected, while others are ignorant to the truth at hand. Some have been taught to hate this country.

Either way, a direct opposite dose of Trump will show the world and middle voters exactly what is at stake.

Maybe they are only connected to certain media sites like the mainstream. I no longer even watch mainstream media. Even the headlines can make something sound like it wasn't a big deal.

For example, just imagine this is only what they caught. And we saw all this happening before the election too.

An upstate USPS employee was arrested Tuesday while crossing the US-Canada border with hundreds of envelopes and other undelivered mail — including several absentee ballots.

The Buffalo mailman, who was caught with over 800 pieces of mail inside his trunk that he had failed to deliver, said he had ended up on a bridge between the US and its neighbor to the north by accident, the Buffalo News reported.

you have to deliberately CHOOSE to look the other way if you insist there is not fraud...and widespread at that

Canadian news is not carrying these stories. we have liberals all over the place in the media up there too

gotta keep the Canucks blind to the fact that they are being snookered. we know some folks who travel down here for business

their eyes are opened

 

[lenna]

Private owned media companies are under no obligation to honor your free speech
They are also protecting themselves from liability
I mean if I made a Facebook post telling people to take a bath with a toaster then common Sense will be for them to take it down

that would be fine if the toaster were not plugged in though

 

[EleventhHour]

you have to deliberately CHOOSE to look the other way if you insist there is not fraud...and widespread at that

Canadian news is not carrying these stories. we have liberals all over the place in the media up there too

gotta keep the Canucks blind to the fact that they are being snookered. we know some folks who travel down here for business

their eyes are opened

Sorry Ms. Lenna but your rhetoric is not proof.

If it so obvious then present the facts, data, math etc., that irrefutably proves that there was substantial voter fraud to change the course of the election.

 

[Magenta]

Private owned media companies are under no obligation to honor your free speech
They are also protecting themselves from liability
I mean if I made a Facebook post telling people to take a bath with a toaster then common Sense will be for them to take it down

Let's stay within the realm of the reasonable. At least now you seem to agree that censorship exists.

 

[lenna]

Sorry Ms. Lenna but your rhetoric is not proof.

If is so obvious then present the facts, data, math etc., that irrefutably proves that there was substantial voter fraud to change the course of the election.

gee I'm sorry too cause I like you...but that is not a reason to ignore the falsehoods coming from the left because you happen to
take their side

knowing a little about me, and not meaning biblical doctrine here since we do not see eye to eye there, you might consider that I do not post rumors

again, you do not have access to what is actually occurring down here

having lived in Canada most of my life, I know how the media goes on up there about their version of the truth

a version or rather opinon, is not truth.

your rhetoric is not proof. why would you even say that when it applies to you as well?

I'm fine with disagreeing, but please don't make it personal

there IS substantial voter fraud and you are free to ignore it and make all the fun of Trump you wish, but Canada just lost in this election as well

 

[lenna]

11th let me ask you

would you be ok with thousands and thousands of illegals entering Canada and using our healthcare, free schooling, no taxes and killing Canadians and then taking refuge in cities that are ok with the lawbreaking?

I've seen Muslims in full garb walking the streets in NS and sorry, but I am not comfortable with that AT ALL

hopefully, there is only one way to answer this, but right now I am not holding my breath

 

[Johnjo]

I’m from a red state, and even down here, folks ain’t talking about fraud. The Trump supporters I know gon move on.

 

[EleventhHour]

11th let me ask you

would you be ok with thousands and thousands of illegals entering Canada and using our healthcare, free schooling, no taxes and killing Canadians and then taking refuge in cities that are ok with the lawbreaking?

I've seen Muslims in full garb walking the streets in NS and sorry, but I am not comfortable with that AT ALL

hopefully, there is only one way to answer this, but right now I am not holding my breath

Let's not change the topic, and btw I am not a leftist, a smart person like you does not need to resort to the same ole tactics.

 

[EleventhHour]

Let's stay within the realm of the reasonable. At least now you seem to agree that censorship exists.

Consider that censorship is only in play when a freedom is denied.
Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom.

 

[posthuman]

OK. Getting to you. This is what YOU said in post 108:

Posthuman "the fact that one wicked, worldly gang is more brazenly evil than the other evil, wicked, worldly gang doesn't make it rational to choose or much less to willingly advertise for the less overtly wicked, evil, worldly gang."

You said you voted 3rd party or write in. 1st question would be, is the write in candidate somehow NOT worldly, with perfect character and policies?

2nd would be, since you absolutely KNOW that any write in or 3rd party candidate has less of a chance of winning than a person dying of Covid, (now at 0.1%), you get to enjoy ALL the enormous benefits of what has been the best and greatest nation on Earth without taking any of the responsibilities associated with it. How do you rationalize those facts to yourself?

1. it's for the benefit of the nation that the two-party system be diminished, and the only way that happens is if third, fourth, fifth & Nth parties receive meaningful numbers of votes.
   1. i could not vote at all -- but then i don't get a sticker and my inaction is indistinguishable from apathy
   2. i could vote in such a way that has no measurable effect whatsoever:
      1. i could vote against my conscience for one of the two major parties with no measurable effect
         1. i make myself a liar and sin by supporting what i know is wrong, but i get a sticker
      2. i could vote against my conscience for the other of the two major parties with no measurable effect
         1. i make myself a liar and sin by supporting what i know is wrong, but i get a sticker
   3. i could vote my conscience in a way that has meager yet measurable effect
      1. i support the viability of alternatives to the entrenched two-party system, and i get a sticker
2. citizenship is not contingent on exercising voting rights at all nor is it anyone's 'responsibility' to throw their support behind only one or the other of two choices foisted on us by entrenched, wicked, powerful political blocs. our constitution does not demand that my voice only be heard if it has a chance of out-shouting someone else's.

so you see my friend, for me it essentially comes down to getting a sticker without compromising my morality.

 

[lenna]

Let's not change the topic, and btw I am not a leftist, a smart person like you does not need to resort to the same ole tactics.

actually I am on topic

there are no tactics

the Biden site is frightning..as frightening as the BLM site before they changed the wording...I read the original and they have really altered it, but I doubt they have altered their thoughts. the lies on Biden's site are prodigious and I doubt people are considering the fact he will actually not be able to keep his so called promises unless they hold both house and senate

the man cannot operate without a teleprompter

the pen is not mightier than the sword here or Trump would not have been able to undo all the harm with Obama's penmenship that was created

see, it is the bigger picture.

I have stated more than once that Biden is one thing, but he is like a Trojan Horse...or maybe an iceberg if that works better. it is what is behind him, pulling on his puppet strings that is the concern...Biden is not 100% cognizant. have you seen the vids where he makes gaff after gaff? I doubt Canadians get to see those

it is the platform that I am drawing attention to, so right on topic, because that is what anyone who voted for Biden is going to get if he actually is inaugurated

people can jump up and down because they hate Trump. however, his platform is the better choice

 

[lenna]

Consider that censorship is only in play when a freedom is denied.
Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom.

I really am not picking on you

but you do not seem to understand that the left has enjoyed said freedom of speech while the right is censored with any comment the left does not want Joe Blow public to see or possibly understand and give credence to

ie: deleting all reference to the Biden Boy scandal posted by the New York Times...not a conservative paper by the way...but there you go

even worse, the FBI held on to that laptap for about a year

deep state? it's real and I was never one for conspiracies

 

[Magenta]

I have stated more than once that Biden is one thing, but he is like a Trojan Horse...or maybe an iceberg if that works better. it is what is behind him, pulling on his puppet strings that is the concern...Biden is not 100% cognizant. have you seen the vids where he makes gaff after gaff? I doubt Canadians get to see those

I have seen some of them; it gives one serious pause to wonder how anyone in their right mind could vote for him

 

[EleventhHour]

I really am not picking on you

but you do not seem to understand that the left has enjoyed said freedom of speech while the right is censored with any comment the left does not want Joe Blow public to see or possibly understand and give credence to

ie: deleting all reference to the Biden Boy scandal posted by the New York Times...not a conservative paper by the way...but there you go

even worse, the FBI held on to that laptap for about a year

deep state? it's real and I was never one for conspiracies

Yes I am very aware, I know the politics and the economics
I know all about the deep state, pizza gate etc., etc.,

My view .. opposite sides of the same coin... Dems and Republicans

You want to save America............... become a non partisan, Trump is no different and no better, but he did know how to garner the support of the Evangelical right.

Time for the USA to develop a third party option.

 

[soggykitten]

This is not about Biden or Trump. This is about the kind of thing you’d see happen in Iran or Korea with the cheating and fraud.

I absolutely despised Barack Hussein Obama. So much so that I actually switched my registration from GOP to Democrat in the primary in 08 to vote for a Clinton, ( I switched back for the general election) because I knew what a disaster he would be for the country.
I hated that there were so many ignorant and evil people that voted for him.

But I accepted his victory, never said anything like “not my President” and even prayed for him Sporadically.

But the theft of mine, and 70 million other Americans vote, will result in me NEVER accepting this wicked, evil man, Joe Biden as president.

That you don’t even know just how evil and wicked he is shows an ignorance that’s not really fixable. So support away!

This is going to the courts, and I’d even wager the streets.

In some parts it is already being taken to the streets. And I too believe it will go to the supreme court. Just as Bush-Gore election conflict did. Wouldn't you have hated to have the name Chad back then?

There is no way that many people were ignorant enough to cast their vote for a man who will destroy the economy the Democrats already helped tank due to the excuse of Covid 19.
If he and his creature enter the office a weak economy is going to go right into the ditch. Gone are the American jobs and industry that Trump brought back to America. Gone is the petroleum independence Trump shored up in America.
Biden and BHO outsourced industry and American's lost their jobs. That'll happen again and worse.Taxes, as promised, will be raised. "If you vote for me you're taxes aren't going to be cut! They're going to be raised!" That should have been enough for the working class to know what was waiting for them if they gave him their vote.

Biden didn't win. More and more fraud is being uncovered seemingly daily.
Senator Lindsey Graham is going to oversee an investigation into fraud after a postal worker in Pennsylvania swore an affidavit as having witnessed this.
There's also a Michigan whistle blower that has come forward. In the midterms we know five states perpetrated fraud in favor of the Dem's getting the majority in the House. I think these we're hearing about now are just the beginning of a repeat of that history. Only the stakes are higher now.

Now Biden is forming a new phrase for his premature claim to victory. "Time to heal." Hogwash. Biden&Harris will tear the scabs off what was healed these four years after Joe and his traitor buddy, whom he called clean, ruined America for eight long torturous years. And on top of that he'll carve new wounds into America. When Harris takes over she'll use a scalpel.

God save us from the evil Left.
This is far from over. And personally, everyone that can be found responsible for the fraud should be prosecuted and sent to prison. No matter who they are.

 

[soggykitten]

actually I am on topic

there are no tactics

the Biden site is frightning..as frightening as the BLM site before they changed the wording...I read the original and they have really altered it, but I doubt they have altered their thoughts. the lies on Biden's site are prodigious and I doubt people are considering the fact he will actually not be able to keep his so called promises unless they hold both house and senate

the man cannot operate without a teleprompter

the pen is not mightier than the sword here or Trump would not have been able to undo all the harm with Obama's penmenship that was created

see, it is the bigger picture.

I have stated more than once that Biden is one thing, but he is like a Trojan Horse...or maybe an iceberg if that works better. it is what is behind him, pulling on his puppet strings that is the concern...Biden is not 100% cognizant. have you seen the vids where he makes gaff after gaff? I doubt Canadians get to see those

it is the platform that I am drawing attention to, so right on topic, because that is what anyone who voted for Biden is going to get if he actually is inaugurated

people can jump up and down because they hate Trump. however, his platform is the better choice

Biden can't function with a teleprompter.

He'll only get worse.

 

[EleventhHour]

1. it's for the benefit of the nation that the two-party system be diminished, and the only way that happens is if third, fourth, fifth & Nth parties receive meaningful numbers of votes.
   1. i could not vote at all -- but then i don't get a sticker and my inaction is indistinguishable from apathy
   2. i could vote in such a way that has no measurable effect whatsoever:
      1. i could vote against my conscience for one of the two major parties with no measurable effect
         1. i make myself a liar and sin by supporting what i know is wrong, but i get a sticker
      2. i could vote against my conscience for the other of the two major parties with no measurable effect
         1. i make myself a liar and sin by supporting what i know is wrong, but i get a sticker
   3. i could vote my conscience in a way that has meager yet measurable effect
      1. i support the viability of alternatives to the entrenched two-party system, and i get a sticker
2. citizenship is not contingent on exercising voting rights at all nor is it anyone's 'responsibility' to throw their support behind only one or the other of two choices foisted on us by entrenched, wicked, powerful political blocs. our constitution does not demand that my voice only be heard if it has a chance of out-shouting someone else's.

so you see my friend, for me it essentially comes down to getting a sticker without compromising my morality.

I understand your reasoning, the only thing I would add is the USA needs a grass roots movement to develop a strong third party option, however the society if so fractured right not it will not happen, as well, the two parties are far too powerful and backed by big money on both sides.

I am thinking a constant state of unrest will continue.
In political science there are those that theorize that war is the only way to rebuild and start fresh, I hope that is not true and there are other avenues.