Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[laymen]

who told you that?
where is the evidence for that?
show me.

Greeks & Romans didn't even have a 7-day week until after the spread of Christianity.
their pagan holy days were all annual, once-a-year events.

kThe julian calenar

who told you that?
where is the evidence for that?
show me.

Greeks & Romans didn't even have a 7-day week until after the spread of Christianity.
their pagan holy days were all annual, once-a-year events.

Where is your evidence for that? The Julian calendar was around before Christ about 45BC and its close to what we use today. but it had 7days so....

 

[laymen]

The law was given in Exodus 16 creation was in Genisis 1

The word sabbath isn't in the book of Genisis and there is no record of anyone prior to the law given in Exodus 16 keeping the sabbath (Adam never kept the Sabbath, nor did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph or anyone in while in Egyptian bondage.)

You said "verse 8 says we should remember this day and keep it holy"

Could you give me a few examples of how I should "keep" the sabbath? Another words what I can and cannot do on sabbath day?

When God made it Holy how is that not clear?
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Ge 2:3). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

As far as How to keep it? Study to show your self approved.

 

[AlmondJoy]

When God made it Holy how is that not clear?
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Ge 2:3). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

As far as How to keep it? Study to show your self approved.

Your argument makes no sense.

Genesis 2:3 is very clear to me.

But what Does Genesis 2:3 have to do With the fact that God did not give a commandment to anybody to keep the sabbath day holy until Exodus chapter 16th ?

Not Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, Joseph etc...

Thanks for the good advice to study.. I assumed since you knew so much about the sabbath you could at least tell me how to keep it.

I may be wrong but I have a feeling the reason you didn't answer the question is because you know I have studied

 

[AlmondJoy]

Oh I see, well the thing with people like that especially someone who is meant to guide and help lead his flock is maybe people do look up to them to much because I once went to a sermon to try a church out and this pastor was one of those if you sin at all you are not saved kind of preachers and there were children with their families listening to this.

I stood up and confronted him about all of this especially with those children being there and he demanded I leave and repent for my sins for attacking the truth the entire church even sided with him without having any thought to all I said.

If people do not know how to take everything with a grain of salt and blindly follow a leader then well... yeah....

You visited a church and stood up and confronted the pastors doctrine in front of everybody???

 

[posthuman]

kThe julian calenar

Where is your evidence for that? The Julian calendar was around before Christ about 45BC and its close to what we use today. but it had 7days so....

The seven-day week was widely known throughout the Roman Empire by the 1st century AD,[24] along with references to the Jewish Sabbath by Roman authors such as Seneca and Ovid.[26] When the seven-day week came into use in Rome during the early imperial period, it did not immediately replace the older eight-day nundinal system.[27] The nundinal system had probably fallen out of use by the time Emperor Constantine adopted the seven-day week for official use in CE 321, making the Day of the Sun (dies Solis) a legal holiday.[28]

Stub from the Wiki article for 'week'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week

 

[Blain]

You visited a church and stood up and confronted the pastors doctrine in front of everybody???

Yeah I did it isn't the first time God lead me to stand and speak in front of a church but this was a time when it for a different reason I am usually used in this way to impact and encourgae and inspire but this time I had to speak against this false teacher my body just moved on it's own

 

[Blik]

really?

where did you get this from?

is there any evidence of this . . ?

There is little written in our bibles today about Nimrod except he was a mighty man, and he is connected with the tower of Babel. In the extra books of the bible that had been considered scripture in the past, if you consider them history, it tells of Nimrod establishing the sun as a God and naming that day Sunday. Some people do not consider this history. However, ancient people named the days of the week for their gods, so Monday is for the moon god, etc. Sunday is for the sun god. Saturday is named for Saturn.

Constantine had worshipped the sun God, he put a picture of this god on a coin.

 

[laymen]

But what Does Genesis 2:3 have to do With the fact that God did not give a commandment to anybody to keep the sabbath day holy until Exodus chapter 16th ?d

The Sabbath before Exodus chapter 16
This first time Exodus chapter 5:5
I don't think they would need a commandment given, if they already knew in their hearts that it was Holy .
Just like you don't see a commandment given to Cain and Able "Don't kill",
James 4:17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.

 

[laymen]

Greeks & Romans didn't even have a 7-day week until after the spread of Christianity.
their pagan holy days were all annual, once-a-year events.

The seven-day week was widely known throughout the Roman Empire by the 1st century AD,[24] along with references to the Jewish Sabbath by Roman authors such as Seneca and Ovid.[26] When the seven-day week came into use in Rome during the early imperial period, it did not immediately replace the older eight-day nundinal system.[27] The nundinal system had probably fallen out of use by the time Emperor Constantine adopted the seven-day week for official use in CE 321, making the Day of the Sun (dies Solis) a legal holiday.[28]

Stub from the Wiki article for 'week'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week

The julian calenar
The Julian calendar was around before Christ about 45BC and its close to what we use today. but it had 7days so....

You know BC is Older than AD right?

 

[laymen]

The law was given in Exodus 16 creation was in Genisis 1

The word sabbath isn't in the book of Genisis and there is no record of anyone prior to the law given in Exodus 16 keeping the sabbath (Adam never kept the Sabbath, nor did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph or anyone in while in Egyptian bondage.)

You said "verse 8 says we should remember this day and keep it holy"

Could you give me a few examples of how I should "keep" the sabbath? Another words what I can and cannot do on sabbath day?

The word "Sabbath" no but the word
7673 שָׁבַת, שָׁבַת [shabath /shaw·bath (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath.
Strong, J. (1995). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Woodside Bible Fellowship.

Shaw bath: used in Gen 2:2, Gen 2:3

 

[mustaphadrink]

uh huh so could you please cite even 1 for us?

I have already listed all of them.

 

[mustaphadrink]

the 8th day is also the first. 8 is congruent to 1 modulo 7.

i can provide you with 100 examples of early church writings calling it 'the 8th day' in no uncertain terms if you like. it is a very well established thing.
let me know. it would be later this evening when i have time.

I always start my study of anything with the scriptures. There is no eighth day in scripture.

 

[posthuman]

The New Testament Church (NTC) always met from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

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When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. ​

(Acts 2:1) ​

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an 8th day, which is also a 1st day.

 

[posthuman]

I have already listed all of them.

oh, all those post-SDA-era books you were talking about?

so you've got zero evidence, just people writing in the 20th century their opinions.

thanks; that's what i thought.

 

[posthuman]

There is no eighth day in scripture

what day is a priest accepted?
what day was the temple dedicated?
what day is circumcision performed?
what day is firstfruits?
what day is shavuot?
what day is the feast of tabernacles?
what day is a firstborn given to the LORD?

 

[AlmondJoy]

The Sabbath before Exodus chapter 16
This first time Exodus chapter 5:5
I don't think they would need a commandment given, if they already knew in their hearts that it was Holy .
Just like you don't see a commandment given to Cain and Able "Don't kill",
James 4:17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.

If the law was in their hearts, as you say why did God bother giving the law to Moses for him to give to the people?

 

[posthuman]

start my study of anything with the scriptures.

the Sanhedrin did not meet on sabbaths
((https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-sanhedrin))

all the believers used to meet together in Solomon’s Colonnade. ​

(Acts 5:12) ​

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the apostles were arrested and jailed -- Act 5:17
they were freed and the very next day back in the courtyard teaching the people -- Acts 5:20
the Sanhedrin convened that day ((the day the church was all gathered in the temple courtyard hearing the preaching of the apostles))

what day of the week was this?
not sabbath. the Sanhedrin could not be convening on sabbath.
what was the church doing?
meeting together.

it's arguable that the day they were arrested for preaching Christ was sabbath. this would explain why the Sanhedrin didn't convene immediately, tho it's also plausible they simply took the night after making the arrest before they all came together to discuss it.
supposing that they were arrested on a sabbath, tho, the angel of the Lord commanded them to meet on the next day - the 8th - ((Acts 5:19))

it was on this occasion Peter and the others said "we must obey God rather than men"

 

[posthuman]

The New Testament Church (NTC) always met from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah.
(Acts 5:42)​

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[laymen]

If the law was in their hearts, as you say why did God bother giving the law to Moses for him to give to the people?

Bible Tells us The Law was add because of sin. Gal 3:19
"It was added because of transgressions"

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Ga 3:19). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

 

[Blik]

Just like you don't see a commandment given to Cain and Able "Don't kill",
James 4:17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.

Right on!

Scripture also doesn't tell us that Cain and Abel knew it requires blood for the forgiveness of sin, Christ's blood even symbolically by the blood of animals. Cain used his own work for forgiveness of sin and that didn't work, Abel obeyed. God is eternal and His ways are eternal.