Propitiation – The Sacrifice that Atoned

[MessageOfTheCross]

When Paul wrote to the Church at Corinth and told them the end of the age has come upon them (1 Corinthians 10:11), this should cause us to realize that we are running on fumes at this very moment.

If the calendars are right, the church is now 1,987 years old. The church began on the day of Pentecost, which was some 33 years after the birth of Christ. So, we deduct 33 years from 2020, which gives us the number of 1,987 as it regards the age of the modern church. In other words, we are living in the last days of the church age, which means that Bible prophecy concerning end-time events is about to happen. As it regards the work of God on this earth, every 2,000 years or every 1000 years something tremendous has taken place. Momentous things most definitely happened at other times, but hallmark events took place at the time frames mentioned.

JSM

 

[Dino246]

When Paul wrote to the Church at Corinth and told them the end of the age has come upon them (1 Corinthians 10:11), this should cause us to realize that we are running on fumes at this very moment.

Unless Paul meant the end of the Levitical age, which is far more likely.

 

[Nehemiah6]

When Paul wrote to the Church at Corinth and told them the end of the age has come upon them (1 Corinthians 10:11), this should cause us to realize that we are running on fumes at this very moment.

That's not exactly what Paul meant. The "last days" began with the first coming of Christ, and that would correspond to what Paul said above.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds (Heb 1:1,2).

Since God views 1,000 years as but one day, about *two* of the last days have been completed. God has delayed the return of Christ for a specific reason (2 Pet 3:8,9).

 

[seed_time_harvest]

An understanding of those verses that trouble might become clearer if you read the entire chapter.
As for disputing about who Christ died for; you have to ask yourself if the blood of Christ is sufficient for the atonement, justification, expiation, redemption and salvtion. I say it is.
So if the blood covers all that, how can you think that the WORLD means every person in the world? WORLD has several definitions in the bible so the context determines the definition (plus it must fit with all other scripture)

If you say that 'world' in that verse means everyone in the whole world then you are saying every person in the whole world is saved.
..........and...............Being born again is the first step in our salvation.

John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

a promise with a condition........belief
since spiritually dead people do not tend to believe anything that leaves a lot of perishing people.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

a promise with a condition........belief
since spiritually dead people do not tend to believe anything that leaves a lot of perishing people.

I was trying to point out the word “world”where you said It wasn’t talking about everyone.Certainly GOD wasn’t saying that HE loved the planet more than man so then I believe the word “world”has to be talking about man.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If you recall I told you that he does not force salvation on us he desires a willing child not a controlled one, if you force someone to follow and love you is that really even love and really even following? yet how much more precious is it whenb a child of God loves and follows him not because they are forced to but because they accepted his gift and fell in love with him?

This is why salvation is called a gift in scripture it is not a gift that is forced on us he gives us the decision to choose or not to accept.
This doesn't mean he is not all knowing but he did give us free will Jesus said decide for yourself who you will serve for a reason.

By your logic we have no say in the matter as if free will isn't even real and everything we do or don't do is based on a preset plan so no matter what we do we were either destined for hell or heaven.

Yet if this was true we wouldn't have the ability to choose ata ll yet you choose what you eat don't you or did God predecide what you would eat? when you pick out a gift for someone did you choose that gift or did God prededecide the gift for you? when you sin did you do this by your own decision or was that somehow God prechoosing what you do?

The reality is, that the unregenerate natural man will not accept, or follow God's spiritual teachings, 1 Cor 2:14, until he is quickened to a spiritual life with the indwe

I would agree with that to a point....the point being where my choices are not in accord with God's choices for me.
I could probably post 50 verses that show God's sovereignty over His created.

Eph 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Isaiah 14:24
The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Revelation 17:17
For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

It is not a bad thing to be in the hands of Majesty.

Yes I agree, although he gives us choices, he does direct his regenerated children's way to conform to his will. I have been redirected many times. He sure redirected Jona's way.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes but when he was saying this it was to abraham and again it was in the old covenant he also was speaking about his descendants which is why so many Jews refered to him as Father Abraham not only that but so do the arabs because the two sons he had one of his own wife Issac who was the first seed of the Israelite's
And his other son Ishmael who was the first seed of the arabs both his seed both call him father Abraham and so yes he does have the number of Children as God promised but this isn't speaking about those who would come to Christ

As for your understanding of the 144,000 this is an interesting thing to consider however this also is why understanding and discernment is needed. Jesus spoke in parables quite often but did so not to blenket the truth but to assure it by speaking to them in the manner they were accustomed every parable he spoke to them had to do with things they already did and knew such as the planting and harvesting the leaven and unleveaned bread the wedding he speaks of here.

To understand the term many are called but few are chosen you have to take the entire parable into account and is why picking out a verse a single verse to explain or prove any theory view or beleif is dangerous because it only shows part of the picture not the picture as a whole.
The parable is as follows the king who made a huge wedding banquet for his son who is Jesus sent his servants which is us the believers to call those who were fist called the Jews but the Jews have rejected the gospel and so he sent his servants to call the remnant what is left over from everywhere the gentiles who accepted the gospel and the man who was there without a wedding garment accepted the call but as I said was one who tried to enter the kingdom in other means that the salvation of Jesus Christ what is called and he was bound up and recieved the worst kind of demise.

Remember he began this parable with the kingdom of heaven is like so he was speaking to these people about the kingdom in terms they were already accustomed to, this is also the wedding of the lamb at the end of the end.

The kingdom of heaven is one of many names that the visible church is called by. Others include The new Jerusalem, the few, the remnant, the church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, Zion, the church of Christ, the church of God, and more.

There will be some that will inherit eternal deliverance, that will not be accepted into the church membership because of the church's discipline.

To explain the church's discipline; The correct wedding garment is "the righteousness of God"., which harmonizes with Matt 7, and the two gates. When we are newly born spiritually, (the many called) as babes in Christ, we sustain ourselves with the milk of the word as we grow into maturity, not yet understanding the righteousness of God, until we have been taught, and heard the gospel, which is the righteousness of God. Those who enter into the wide gate are the new born babes, and those that enter the straight gate (few chosen) are those who have matured enough to understand the righteousness of God, the gospel.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Understanding of this ONE WORD forever refutes the false teaching that Christ died for every single person. That Christ died for all men is true, but the “all men” He died for were all believers. All of that group.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

God is immutably just and His moral excellence demands punishment or expiation for sin.
( to expiate a sin is to make atonement for, reconciling the offender to God)​

Satisfaction of God’s justice is necessary if sin is to be forgiven.
Christ was set forth as the propitiation in order that God might be just in justifying the ungodly. If sin could be pardoned without satisfaction “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21)

No other propitiation is needed and no other is possible.

Expiation and propitiation go together. The sinner is expiated by the atonement, and God’s justice is propitiated.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed v26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text) John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations.

If Christ was the propitiation for EVERY man, then every man is justified and is not under wrath, for this is the true meaning of propitiation: that Christ reconciled man to God by His blood, and the reconciled man is not under judgment but is saved from wrath

example: when the priests of the OT made sacrifice (propitiation) for the people, it was for a PARTICULAR people of a particular group, and not for ALL people.

when you say not under judgement are you saying this is not true of you ?

“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:9-11‬ ‭

is your argument because Jesus died And rose no one will be judged by him ?

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is an appointment everyone has , and because of the resurrection we understand it is assured

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;

whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

We have to repent because we do all have to face the judgement God has been saying it since old times . There’s no way out of judgement , that’s why we have Gods judgement in the gospel now to believe and repent so we can be saved From that day of wrath .

You quotes a scripture here’s a bit more of the context of what that verse actually says

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we separate out a verse that seems to support our idea and then exclude all those around it it changes what it means . So I would agree Jesus is the propitiation for all sin , but he is also the lord and judge of every man , the Christ and good shepherd the way and the truth and the life many things not only a sin sacrifice . Also the eternal judge and giver of life

 

[oyster67]

Understanding of this ONE WORD forever refutes the false teaching that Christ died for every single person. That Christ died for all men is true, but the “all men” He died for were all believers. All of that group.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

God is immutably just and His moral excellence demands punishment or expiation for sin.
( to expiate a sin is to make atonement for, reconciling the offender to God)​

Satisfaction of God’s justice is necessary if sin is to be forgiven.
Christ was set forth as the propitiation in order that God might be just in justifying the ungodly. If sin could be pardoned without satisfaction “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21)

No other propitiation is needed and no other is possible.

Expiation and propitiation go together. The sinner is expiated by the atonement, and God’s justice is propitiated.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed v26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text) John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations.

If Christ was the propitiation for EVERY man, then every man is justified and is not under wrath, for this is the true meaning of propitiation: that Christ reconciled man to God by His blood, and the reconciled man is not under judgment but is saved from wrath

example: when the priests of the OT made sacrifice (propitiation) for the people, it was for a PARTICULAR people of a particular group, and not for ALL people.

I love you, but I am called to reveal this utter nonsense as utter nonsense...

"all men" means "all men".

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

John 3:16


“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

1 John 5:13

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life

Hebrews 7:25

Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

Eternal salvation is mentioned many many times throughout the bible but what isn't mentioned is a temporary salvation or a distinguished set of believers who can have it or not.
It would appear that way because people are not understanding the context of the scriptures who it is speaking about being spoken to and also what covanent they were in at the time.

John 3:16 (the number 1, most misquoted scripture) 2 Tim 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. All scriptures must harmonize in order to rightly divide the truth.

2 Tim 2:15, Love not the world, (of the wicked) neither the things (the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life) that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Why would God tell us to not love the world, that he says he so loves, unless he is speaking of two different worlds?

Thayer's Greek definition of the word "world"; 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Romans 11, 12 etc.) a) used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

The word "World" is not the only words that are not rightly divided according to the Greek interpretation; "Such as, saved, save, salvation", which means= delivered, deliver, deliverance.

1 John 5:13 is restricted to believers only.

Heb 7:25 Jesus is an intercessor for the regenerated child of God, when he prays to God, not for the unregenerate natural man that cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness, and would not come unto a spiritual God. 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Let no man, woman, or preacher deceive you. NO ONE IS WALKING WITH GOD OUTSIDE OF FAITH IN THE CROSS!

The sentence of death must be written on the flesh-the power of the Cross must be entered into before we can steadily walk with God. Romans 8:2, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 1 Corinthians 2:2, Galatians 2:20-21, 6:14

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

"the power of the cross must be entered into" is your own made up statement and is nowhere indicated in the scriptures.

The cruel cross has no power. The power is the blood of Jesus Christ, and it eternally saved all of those that his Father gave him to die for. Jesus said "it is finished" (Eternal deliverance is secured), and there will never be another sacrifice for sins.

The inspired words of God, the bible, are words that are informing his regenerated people how they were delivered and their security of inheriting eternal life. The remaining revelation of his inspired words are instructions (including all of the scriptures you have quoted) to his regenerated children as to how he wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here in this world.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

I was trying to point out the word “world”where you said It wasn’t talking about everyone.Certainly GOD wasn’t saying that HE loved the planet more than man so then I believe the word “world”has to be talking about man.

Yes, about people......but a certain group of people (beleivers), and this is expounded on in 3:27 and 36

 

[GraceAndTruth]

I love you, but I am called to reveal this utter nonsense as utter nonsense...

"all men" means "all men".

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

I adore your silly hat but I must tell you that you are talking THROUGH that hat.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I love you, but I am called to reveal this utter nonsense as utter nonsense...

"all men" means "all men".

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You need to study more, to be able to rightly divide the word of truth, such as dividing the meaning of the many different possibilities of the meaning of the word "world". Greek definition of the word "world" is any aggregate, or general collection of particulars of any sort.

Such as; World of sports, world of music, world of animals. world of believers, etc. Same goes for "all men".

You will never understand the truth, until all of the scriptures harmonize with one another.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

when you say not under judgement are you saying this is not true of you ?

“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:9-11‬ ‭

is your argument because Jesus died And rose no one will be judged by him ?

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is an appointment everyone has , and because of the resurrection we understand it is assured

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;

whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

We have to repent because we do all have to face the judgement God has been saying it since old times . There’s no way out of judgement , that’s why we have Gods judgement in the gospel now to believe and repent so we can be saved From that day of wrath .

You quotes a scripture here’s a bit more of the context of what that verse actually says

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we separate out a verse that seems to support our idea and then exclude all those around it it changes what it means . So I would agree Jesus is the propitiation for all sin , but he is also the lord and judge of every man , the Christ and good shepherd the way and the truth and the life many things not only a sin sacrifice . Also the eternal judge and giver of life

You didn't get an X because I need to tell you I do not need nor do I read LOOOOOOG posts on opinions that you already know I disagree with. No more cut and paste .... its superfluous.

So I will answer: Believers are not under judgement
John 3:18 those who believer are NOT under judgement, those who do not believe have been judged already.
WE have been justified BY CHRIST, His PROPITATION.

Galatians 2: 15-21
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is justified* not by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ,* and not by doing the works of the law, because no one will be justified by the works of the law. 17 But if, in our effort to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have been found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 But if I build up again the very things that I once tore down, then I demonstrate that I am a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; 20 and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification comes
through the law, then Christ died for nothing.

I think you are confusing justification with sanctification.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You didn't get an X because I need to tell you I do not need nor do I read LOOOOOOG posts on opinions that you already know I disagree with. No more cut and paste .... its superfluous.

So I will answer: Believers are not under judgement
John 3:18 those who believer are NOT under judgement, those who do not believe have been judged already.
WE have been justified BY CHRIST, His PROPITATION.

Galatians 2: 15-21
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is justified* not by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ,* and not by doing the works of the law, because no one will be justified by the works of the law. 17 But if, in our effort to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have been found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 But if I build up again the very things that I once tore down, then I demonstrate that I am a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; 20 and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification comes
through the law, then Christ died for nothing.

I think you are confusing justification with sanctification.

I think you are confusing lies with truth . I agree with Christ and his word , that’s the only agreement that matters . Of course I would disagree with false doctrine that relies on removing what the lord said , my faith is in him not a modern book written for profit with a revolutionary new message that omits the words of God and calls it salvation yes I disagree . And hope others see through it also so they can turn to the lord believe and be saved by him .

Paul isn’t confused because you disagree is he ? Just to be clear I didn’t write this paul did

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-12‬ ‭

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why is Paul teaching such fallacy in the same epistles which one can pull a verse seemingly conditionless and reject the rest of the letter why would paul be teaxhingnit to the church if it’s not for the church ?

There is something that can remove that judgement , repentance and believing the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ who is the judge of every person who exists

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬

that judgement your avoiding can be accepted and one can be saved from the day or wrath to come it’s not to reject the gospel however It’s about believing the gospel .

Christ’s word is full of grace the real grave of God that teaches repentance and righteousness

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s salvation to accept the gospel because the judges words have been declared we can accept it now and believe and be saved through repentance and righteousness which come through him to believers , not to rejecters of the gospel but to believers .

It’s hard to reject all the scripture but the modern grace version teaches people to repent reject the truth of Christ and follow an invention which we were warned would come and cause havoc in the church

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭

That was written 1900 plus years ago and all those teachers have had thier way in the world many sadly follow those things because no one really preaches the gospel anymore some , but few .

The only difference in you and I is who’s word we believe . I will stick with the lord and saviors word , and that’s the only value I have to offer anyone that they too should stick to the words of Jesus Christ the lord and savior who came and told them the truth for salvation and then laid down his life so they could be forgiven by him .

It’s true we’re saved by grave through faith that doesn’t translate to rejecting what a God said about salvation there’s no mother way

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yes, about people......but a certain group of people (beleivers), and this is expounded on in 3:27 and 36

All men are called by GOD to believe In HIS WORD (JESUS) but men were too weak because of the flesh to perfectly keep GODs law.
Romans 8:3
King James Version

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


so then GOD sent HIS WORD (JESUS) to earth to die on a cross In order to make It possible that EVERYone who believes In HIM could have eternal life.

Of course only believers will receive salvation and of course GOD knew who would accept or reject HIS grace but HE IS fair and loves righteousness and It wouldn’t be right and fair If HE didn’t make grace available to All men.
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Hebrews 1:7-10
King James Version

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

 

[Pilgrimshope]

All men are called by GOD to believe In HIS WORD (JESUS) but men were too weak because of the flesh to perfectly keep GODs law.
Romans 8:3
King James Version

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


so then GOD sent HIS WORD (JESUS) to earth to die on a cross In order to make It possible that EVERYone who believes In HIM could have eternal life.

Of course only believers will receive salvation and of course GOD knew who would accept or reject HIS grace but HE IS fair and loves righteousness and It wouldn’t be right and fair If HE didn’t make grace available to All men.
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Hebrews 1:7-10
King James Version

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

What’s to believe if you remove Gods word about salvation ? Are you saying what Jesus said died with him and no longer applies ?

How do you guys get past Paul’s teaching about eternal
Judgement according to what we do in this world ? If what you guys are saying is true why does the New Testament teach Jesus is the eternal
Judge of Mankind both the living and the dead ?

Judgement is found here and whoever believes will be saved


“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;


And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the jidgement we all face we can be part of the group that hears his word and believes and be given life by him alone the judge . Or we can reject his words and face the second judgement meantioned there those who refuse hos word and remain on death for their sins.


The judgement he said is still to come looks like he said it does

One day we won’t be able to hide from his word

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God sent the true gospel into the world for salvation to those who will believe him. It’s not complex at all of Jesus said we have to repent we have to repent , if he said believe in his words and be saved that’s what will be .

we have Gods judgement which is why Jesus was actually sent to speak the truth which no one understood about God and his kingdom

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus dying for sin is according to the end of the old teasrament he gave the New Testament those are the words of life and cannot be escaped in the end

It’s the judgement of believing his words now and being saved or rejecting his words now and being judged by those very words which have no end

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭


The gospel Jesus preached has to be accepted and believed or there is no salvation from judgement there is no other possibility of eternal
Life but through Jesus Christ and his gospel not an invention later that someone says “ this is the real gospel “

That last day we must all face is
Measured

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there is no different way to God only Jesus and the way he set forth will be acceptable to God the father even if we really think we don’t need to believe what he said , all other paths will lead to the terrible judgement coming upon those who reject the gospel

Jesus death wasn’t God ending his word ......but I’ve heard a lot of reasons like that why his word doesn’t apply , I guess faith sort of tells
Me to believe what my lord and savior had to say about being saved .

I can make something up and believe it but it doesn’t mean I believe the gospel which God sent to the world for salvation . We have to believe the gospel Jesus said is of God .


And should know this world is filled with people leading others astray from the true gospel and calling thier own inventions the gospel but that’s why we have it written down so we done have to depend on what someone tells us God said or worse tell us “Gods word no longer applies listen to me instead I’ll tell you about salvation “

Ideas like that burgle the seeds of faith in a heart of someone who would believe of we hadn’t explained why it’s not for them .

 

[Blain]

John 3:16 (the number 1, most misquoted scripture) 2 Tim 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. All scriptures must harmonize in order to rightly divide the truth.

2 Tim 2:15, Love not the world, (of the wicked) neither the things (the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life) that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Why would God tell us to not love the world, that he says he so loves, unless he is speaking of two different worlds?

Thayer's Greek definition of the word "world"; 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Romans 11, 12 etc.) a) used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

The word "World" is not the only words that are not rightly divided according to the Greek interpretation; "Such as, saved, save, salvation", which means= delivered, deliver, deliverance.

1 John 5:13 is restricted to believers only.

Heb 7:25 Jesus is an intercessor for the regenerated child of God, when he prays to God, not for the unregenerate natural man that cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness, and would not come unto a spiritual God. 1 Cor 2:14.

Yes you are correct the word world is not rightly divided or understood, we are in the world but not of it and we do not lust after worldly things we do not live as the world lives but the world in regards to people- their souls this is where the word becomes a bit tricky, it says that Jesus died for the salvation of the world which is to say the souls of the world but even if say this all was for the regenerated people of the world what were they before they were regenrated? They were of the world.

They could not percieve or uinderstand the things of the spirit beforehand and were indeed seen by God as foolish but it all comes back to the blood of Jesus, the testimony of Jesus is the gospel but was his sacrifice sufficent? Is his grace sufficent? and is it just for a select people or did he die for the sake of the world?
perhaps to better answer this let me aks you what does it take to be saved what must you do in order to recieve eternal life?