Not if one believes the Book of Revelation Chapter 20 is the infallable Word of God.. In that chapter it clearly reveals two resurrections with 1000 years in between them.. The Entire word of God must be accepted.. Not just verses quoted in isolation.. I encourage you to sit down and simply read the Chapter..
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Your claim is in error, (The Souls) seen in Revelation 6:9 below, are the exact same (Souls) seen in Revelation 20:4 below in parallel teachings, they are given white robes, and are reigning with the Lord in the spiritual, prior to the second coming, the (Little Season) that they are waiting for is for the tribulation to end at the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ.
There is no literal 1,000 earthly years seen, this represents the (Little Season) in the spiritual, Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 20:4-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm of no earthly time, one day is a thousand years, not literal 2 Peter 3:8 (Be Not Ignorant)
When the term (First Resurrection) is used, it means nothing more than two resurrections are seen below in John 5:28-29, the saved righteous souls,that are reigning in white robes, and dead in the Lord are (Blessed) to be in this first resurrection, because the (Second Resurrection) seen below is the second death, in the Lake of fire for the wicked.
Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
There is no literal 1,000 earthly years seen, this represents the (Little Season) in the spiritual, Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 20:4-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm of no earthly time, one day is a thousand years, not literal 2 Peter 3:8 (Be Not Ignorant)
When the term (First Resurrection) is used, it means nothing more than two resurrections are seen below in John 5:28-29, the saved righteous souls,that are reigning in white robes, and dead in the Lord are (Blessed) to be in this first resurrection, because the (Second Resurrection) seen below is the second death, in the Lake of fire for the wicked.
Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Here is the definition of FAITH by the Holy Spirit.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
What ever our sentiments are, we are bound to take what God has said - without addition and without subtraction. If our Lord Jesus is UNSEEN, there is still time for FAITH. When He is SEEN - as He will be - FAITH IS OVER. And just look at the examples that follow on in Hebrews 11 to see what FAITH is. It is Abraham, promised a Land by God, and NOT receiving it till resurrection. Up to then, no-one had ever been resurrected. This example should settle it for us. And John 1:12-13 and 3:14-16, among many others, show the ONLY WAY to rebirth and the ONLY WAY to have Eternal Life - FAITH.
However, let us set that point aside. I built an argument that does not hang on this point. My point was the Book of Life hangs on WORKS. It is this that you have to dismantle. And not only dismantle, but show, by your own exegesis, what the solution is.
God bless.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
What ever our sentiments are, we are bound to take what God has said - without addition and without subtraction. If our Lord Jesus is UNSEEN, there is still time for FAITH. When He is SEEN - as He will be - FAITH IS OVER. And just look at the examples that follow on in Hebrews 11 to see what FAITH is. It is Abraham, promised a Land by God, and NOT receiving it till resurrection. Up to then, no-one had ever been resurrected. This example should settle it for us. And John 1:12-13 and 3:14-16, among many others, show the ONLY WAY to rebirth and the ONLY WAY to have Eternal Life - FAITH.
However, let us set that point aside. I built an argument that does not hang on this point. My point was the Book of Life hangs on WORKS. It is this that you have to dismantle. And not only dismantle, but show, by your own exegesis, what the solution is.
God bless.
I have a question for those who agree on having 1000 years (millenium) with this Sequence:
Church age
Rapture
Tribulation half
Tribulation half / 2nd coming
Millenium 1000yrs reign
Battle of Armageddon
Great white throne
Eternal state
my question is this, Q1.) who are the inhabitants of the millenium? during rapture all the dead and the living believers will be caught up in heaven with Jesus, that being said when Jesus come for the 2nd time which is the 2nd coming during the half of tribulation will the dead believers and the living being caught up will also come down to reign with him for 1000 yrs? I believe yes but I want an opinion here please, Esp about the dead believers.
Q2.) during the millenium even though it is all peace on earth were there any non-believers left from the tribulation? Is it a mixture of believers n non believers?
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Church age
Rapture
Tribulation half
Tribulation half / 2nd coming
Millenium 1000yrs reign
Battle of Armageddon
Great white throne
Eternal state
my question is this, Q1.) who are the inhabitants of the millenium? during rapture all the dead and the living believers will be caught up in heaven with Jesus, that being said when Jesus come for the 2nd time which is the 2nd coming during the half of tribulation will the dead believers and the living being caught up will also come down to reign with him for 1000 yrs? I believe yes but I want an opinion here please, Esp about the dead believers.
Q2.) during the millenium even though it is all peace on earth were there any non-believers left from the tribulation? Is it a mixture of believers n non believers?
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There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
While I have a different belief on the sequence, I'd still like to answer...
The rulers of the new age will be those believers alive along with those believers once dead now alive...all transformed.
Yes, i believe it is a mixture of believers and "non believers". Not necessarily "enemies", but those who weren't sure where they stood as well as those who didn't get their worship just right and those who grew up completely ignorant of truth. These are they who will be ruled/taught.
The nations will still be here, but the beast will be destroyed while satan is imprisoned.
Daniel 7:11-12 explains...
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time
So the fourth beast is destroyed. The rest of the beasts = the rest of the nations whose lives will be prolonged. This is the millennium being described.
But at some point afterwards these folks will make their decision who they stand for (as satan is released to deceive and as the unrighteous are resurrected). Then the final final army against the holy people is gathered...and wiped out.
My take on things.
The rulers of the new age will be those believers alive along with those believers once dead now alive...all transformed.
Yes, i believe it is a mixture of believers and "non believers". Not necessarily "enemies", but those who weren't sure where they stood as well as those who didn't get their worship just right and those who grew up completely ignorant of truth. These are they who will be ruled/taught.
The nations will still be here, but the beast will be destroyed while satan is imprisoned.
Daniel 7:11-12 explains...
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time
So the fourth beast is destroyed. The rest of the beasts = the rest of the nations whose lives will be prolonged. This is the millennium being described.
But at some point afterwards these folks will make their decision who they stand for (as satan is released to deceive and as the unrighteous are resurrected). Then the final final army against the holy people is gathered...and wiped out.
My take on things.
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Your claim is false, the unsaved nations will be consumed by the Lords fire in Final Judgement at his appearing.
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
How are you so fast!? I just post! lol
I was referencing Daniel 7:11-12. There are only four beasts that arise in the world from Daniel's vision, followed by the son of man.
The vision says the fourth beast is destroyed, while the other beasts' lives are prolonged but their dominion is taken away. The fourth beast is THE BEAST of Revelation...which is destroyed by fire at Messiah's coming.
What does the vision mean that the other beasts' lives are prolonged for a time and season after the 4th beasts destruction?
I was referencing Daniel 7:11-12. There are only four beasts that arise in the world from Daniel's vision, followed by the son of man.
The vision says the fourth beast is destroyed, while the other beasts' lives are prolonged but their dominion is taken away. The fourth beast is THE BEAST of Revelation...which is destroyed by fire at Messiah's coming.
What does the vision mean that the other beasts' lives are prolonged for a time and season after the 4th beasts destruction?
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Multiple resurrections are NOT in error. That is exactly what the Bible reveals.
THE FIRST RESURRECTION: IN THREE PHASES (LIKE A HEBREW HARVEST)
PHASE I: CHRIST THE FIRST FRUITS (PAST)
PHASE II: THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE (THE MAIN HARVEST)(FUTURE)
PHASE III. THE TRIBULATION SAINTS (THE GLEANINGS) (FUTURE)
[THE MILLENNIUM INTERVENES]
THE SECOND RESURRECTION: THE RESURRECTION OF THE UNSAVED DEAD
THIS OCCURS AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT (FUTURE)
When Christ spoke of "the last day" He was really referring to a metaphorical period of time which exceeds 1,000 years.
THE FIRST RESURRECTION: IN THREE PHASES (LIKE A HEBREW HARVEST)
PHASE I: CHRIST THE FIRST FRUITS (PAST)
PHASE II: THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE (THE MAIN HARVEST)(FUTURE)
PHASE III. THE TRIBULATION SAINTS (THE GLEANINGS) (FUTURE)
[THE MILLENNIUM INTERVENES]
THE SECOND RESURRECTION: THE RESURRECTION OF THE UNSAVED DEAD
THIS OCCURS AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT (FUTURE)
When Christ spoke of "the last day" He was really referring to a metaphorical period of time which exceeds 1,000 years.
You teach in error, that mortal humans, both saved and unsaved live in a Kingdom beyond the Second Coming and Appearance of Jesus Christ seen below.
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
I never said both believers and non believer would be in the same kingdom. The question was "who will be on earth". Daniel 7:11-12 says the nations will still be on earth after the beast is destroyed. Only believers will be in the Messiah's Kingdom though.
What does Daniel 7:11-12 mean if not that, I'm asking?
What does Daniel 7:11-12 mean if not that, I'm asking?
Zechariah 14:17-19 explains that the nations will need to travel to the holy land each tabernacles to worship the King.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
You oppose the very words of Jesus Christ, He States Believers Are Resurrected On The (Last Day) At The Time Of Final Judgement, You Falsely Teach Of Multiple Resurrections Of The Believer Before The (Last Day)
Your teaching has (Multiple) future resurrections of believers at different times, this teaching is in error.
The bible clearly teaches of one future resurrection of all, and this takes place on (The Last Day) at the time of final judgement.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Your teaching has (Multiple) future resurrections of believers at different times, this teaching is in error.
The bible clearly teaches of one future resurrection of all, and this takes place on (The Last Day) at the time of final judgement.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
You give total (Disregard) to the Scripture before your face, you falsely teach (Mortal Humans) live beyond the second coming and Appearance of Jesus Christ seen below, 100% False
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement, (The Eternal Kingdom)
(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below
(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.
(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.
(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.
(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
"The Eternal Kingdom"!
Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below
(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.
(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.
(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.
(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
"The Eternal Kingdom"!
Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
You give total (Disregard) to the Scripture before your face, you falsely teach (Mortal Humans) live beyond the second coming and Appearance of Jesus Christ seen below, 100% False
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12
Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below.
When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time) (The End)
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
If not that one, then how do you interpret these...
Revelation 2:27
And [the overcomer] shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Psalm 2:9
You will break them an iron scepter; You will shatter them like pottery.
Revelation 12:5
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Revelation 19:15
And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.
At what point in your view of eschatology does the Messiah rule the nations after He appears if all the unbelieving nations are destroyed when He appears? Surely he isn't ruling sanctified believers with an iron rod that breaks sanctified believers as a potter's vessels?
All of these must fit, right? How do they fit? What is the alternative view?
You have been clearly shown 4-5 times in this thread, with multiple scriptures presented, this earth is dissolved by fire at the Lords second coming Appearance, there will be no mortal human kingdom on earth beyond this.
(Rule Them With A Rod Of Iron)?
This means nothing more than destruction of the wicked at the Lords second coming at the battle of Armageddon, the wicked will be destroyed,as a potter destroys his clay vessel
Dispensationalism (Falsely) try's to suggest this is Jesus Christ sitting on a earthly throne ruling, (A LIE)
Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(Rule Them With A Rod Of Iron)?
This means nothing more than destruction of the wicked at the Lords second coming at the battle of Armageddon, the wicked will be destroyed,as a potter destroys his clay vessel
Dispensationalism (Falsely) try's to suggest this is Jesus Christ sitting on a earthly throne ruling, (A LIE)
Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
You use the Lords words below (Heathen) as if the unsaved heathen is present in the (Eternal Kingdom)?
The Scripture clearly shows the feast of tabernacles is a requirement in the (Eternal Kingdom) and it's a requirement for (All Nations) and the word (IF) clearly shows that this hast happened, but (IF) it were to happen, then that person or group would be as the heathen.
As you have been clearly shown in Zechariah 14,the day of the Lord has taken place, as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 fire, earth, men destroyed by fire, you have been shown the eternal river of life in (The Eternal Kingdom)
Zechariah 14:17-19KJV
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
The Scripture clearly shows the feast of tabernacles is a requirement in the (Eternal Kingdom) and it's a requirement for (All Nations) and the word (IF) clearly shows that this hast happened, but (IF) it were to happen, then that person or group would be as the heathen.
As you have been clearly shown in Zechariah 14,the day of the Lord has taken place, as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 fire, earth, men destroyed by fire, you have been shown the eternal river of life in (The Eternal Kingdom)
Zechariah 14:17-19KJV
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.