Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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As far as I recall MacArthur does hold to believers baptism. We know then that those who contend against it are not following him in that regard. God only knows what doctrine espouses that baptism is meaningless now. Or worse, is indicative of works salvation.
I think WS is a canard that allows opponents of the full true gospel to pile anything they dislike about the actual gospel under that banner. I think we can then use our experience to lead us to the answer of why that is.
I think WS is a canard that allows opponents of the full true gospel to pile anything they dislike about the actual gospel under that banner. I think we can then use our experience to lead us to the answer of why that is.
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Odd, has he also given up his beliefs on Cessationism? I don't have an issue with premill and believing what the bible says about the dispensation of the church age. I'm more surprised and happy that he came out of Calvinism 
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Odd, has he also given up his beliefs on Cessationism? I don't have an issue with premill and believing what the bible says about the dispensation of the church age. I'm more surprised and happy that he came out of Calvinism
I'm no fan of MacArthur's tactics. He's dedicated sermons to condemning individual pastors for their teachings.
What I do respect though is MacArthur's resolve to defeat the Covidfornia dictator's twisted mandates against our faith by keeping his church open.
And refusing to submit to the demands of the unholy courts. That I do respect.
I found this as to MacArthur and Cessationism. Nothing newer I'm afraid. Not that it isn't out there I just haven't found it.
Adding this for those who may not know. What is Cessationism?
Those who believe the gifts of the Spirit have ceased are called cessationists, and their doctrine is cessationism, which means that the spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing have ceased with the end of the apostolic age.
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well that would be something
so I went looking
dunno, but I found the following in Grace Church's doctrinal statement (Mac's church)
Election. We teach that election is the act of God by which, before the foundation of the world, He chose in Christ those whom He graciously regenerates, saves, and sanctifies (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 1:1-2).
sounds pretty Calvinist to me
also, the biggest doctrinal statement I have ever seen in my lifesite
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nah
still prefers to account all speaking in tongues to demons
seems the Calvinism is still alive and well also...see my post above, like, to doctrinal statement
he is somewhat subtle about how he sorts scripture. you really have to read closely
I used to listen to him until I found out what he really believes
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right and God knows I do NOT want a diversion into tongues, but you have to ignore alot of scripture to think tongues was only a sign gift
not getting involved in another tongues discussion (this forum is replete with them) but dismissing teaching on tongues (in scripture) is not the method by which to disallow for it
I searched MacArthur in a date filter at YouTube. I just searched generally and found this. Having watched it I will say, if he wasn't in the pulpit he'd make a fortune selling lemon used cars. He can't give a direct answer and is slippery in his explanation when this short question and answer is supposedly addressing his views on Calvinism.
And then there is this. If JM left Calvinism I can't find anything new to that effect.
I am thankful for this timely revision of wonderful classic that has already been an immense blessing to countless thousands. Notwithstanding its success over the years, the only question that ultimately matters about the "five points of Calvinism" is whether these doctrines are biblical. This book has demonstrated (conclusively, in my judgment) that the "five points" are nothing more or less than what the Bible teaches. The doctrines of grace and divine sovereignty are the very lifeblood of the full and free salvation promised in the gospel.
Today Calvinism is being subjected to constant attack. Several recent, popular, published critiques have tried to discredit John Calvin the man, or they have unfairly blamed Calvinism for the dubious politics of the Reformation era. But the doctrines of Calvinistic soteriology must stand or fall by the test of Scripture, period.
Scripture speaks with absolute, unmistakable clarity on these vital issues: (1) Sinners are utterly helpless to redeem themselves or to contribute anything meritorious toward their own salvation (Rom 8:7-8). (2) God is sovereign in the exercise of His saving Will (Eph 1:4-5). (3) Christ died as a substitute who bore the full weight of God's wrath on behalf of His people, and his atoning work is efficacious for their salvation (Isa. 53:5). (4) God's saving purpose cannot be thwarted (John 6:37), meaning none of Christ's true sheep will ever be lost (John 10:27-29). That is because (5) God assures the perseverance of His elect (Jude 24; Phil 1:6; 1 Peter 1:5).
Those are the five points of Calvinism. I believe them not because of their historical pedigree, but because that is what Scripture teaches.
Extracted from The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended and Documented. 2nd Edition : David Steele, Curtis Thomas, and Lance Quinn. Click title to learn more about the book.
And then there is this. If JM left Calvinism I can't find anything new to that effect.
I am thankful for this timely revision of wonderful classic that has already been an immense blessing to countless thousands. Notwithstanding its success over the years, the only question that ultimately matters about the "five points of Calvinism" is whether these doctrines are biblical. This book has demonstrated (conclusively, in my judgment) that the "five points" are nothing more or less than what the Bible teaches. The doctrines of grace and divine sovereignty are the very lifeblood of the full and free salvation promised in the gospel.
Today Calvinism is being subjected to constant attack. Several recent, popular, published critiques have tried to discredit John Calvin the man, or they have unfairly blamed Calvinism for the dubious politics of the Reformation era. But the doctrines of Calvinistic soteriology must stand or fall by the test of Scripture, period.
Scripture speaks with absolute, unmistakable clarity on these vital issues: (1) Sinners are utterly helpless to redeem themselves or to contribute anything meritorious toward their own salvation (Rom 8:7-8). (2) God is sovereign in the exercise of His saving Will (Eph 1:4-5). (3) Christ died as a substitute who bore the full weight of God's wrath on behalf of His people, and his atoning work is efficacious for their salvation (Isa. 53:5). (4) God's saving purpose cannot be thwarted (John 6:37), meaning none of Christ's true sheep will ever be lost (John 10:27-29). That is because (5) God assures the perseverance of His elect (Jude 24; Phil 1:6; 1 Peter 1:5).
Those are the five points of Calvinism. I believe them not because of their historical pedigree, but because that is what Scripture teaches.
John F. MacArthur Jr.
Extracted from The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended and Documented. 2nd Edition : David Steele, Curtis Thomas, and Lance Quinn. Click title to learn more about the book.
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well that would be something
so I went looking
dunno, but I found the following in Grace Church's doctrinal statement (Mac's church)
Election. We teach that election is the act of God by which, before the foundation of the world, He chose in Christ those whom He graciously regenerates, saves, and sanctifies (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 1:1-2).
sounds pretty Calvinist to me also, the biggest doctrinal statement I have ever seen in my life
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so I went looking
dunno, but I found the following in Grace Church's doctrinal statement (Mac's church)
Election. We teach that election is the act of God by which, before the foundation of the world, He chose in Christ those whom He graciously regenerates, saves, and sanctifies (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 1:1-2).
sounds pretty Calvinist to me
also, the biggest doctrinal statement I have ever seen in my lifesite
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yes
A far better response, in the form of a book actually, has been submitted by Dr Brown
the thing there, is that Brown admits to the craziness that can be found in Pentecostal or Charismatic activities, but to lump everyone together as demonically infested, is going way beyond just observation and becomes a personal crusade
personal crusade are my words...but a great book