Propitiation – The Sacrifice that Atoned
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I am guessing this Thread is intended to promote Calvin's Ideology?
I feel sorry for those who fall into that trap. Believing that ALL was determined "from the beginning" is just weird.
I was just thinking about this today. The thought that came to mind was when I visit my family, we often play Mexican Train. A game played with dominos. I thought, "From the beginning," God determined every game we played, every tile we chose, and who would and would not win. He even determined all the conversations we would have. What we were wearing during the game, what snacks, drinks we would enjoy, and even our thoughts to determine our strategy to win. I would have to believe all of this to believe Calvin's Ideology in it's purest form.
People who do believe and follow Calvin's Ideology do so by their choice (even if they do not believe they had a choice), and I do not condemn them, I just feel sorry for them.
I feel sorry for those who fall into that trap. Believing that ALL was determined "from the beginning" is just weird.
I was just thinking about this today. The thought that came to mind was when I visit my family, we often play Mexican Train. A game played with dominos. I thought, "From the beginning," God determined every game we played, every tile we chose, and who would and would not win. He even determined all the conversations we would have. What we were wearing during the game, what snacks, drinks we would enjoy, and even our thoughts to determine our strategy to win. I would have to believe all of this to believe Calvin's Ideology in it's purest form.
People who do believe and follow Calvin's Ideology do so by their choice (even if they do not believe they had a choice), and I do not condemn them, I just feel sorry for them.
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Propitiation is a word used several times in the bible. It is about atonement. It says that the blood of Christ paid the penalty for sin, that satisfied God's justice. There is not one mention of Calvin nor anything relating to calvinism in my post, just some scripture for reference.
A big shame on you for being so insulting. I'm sure you weren't raised to act like that.
I cannot imagine being so arrogant as to tell another person you pity them because they don't believe whatever your doctrines are, inferring they are not saved.......as you judged me.
Why did you even post in here? Just to toss a few rocks?
I hope you think about your posts in the future before your fiery tongue gets away from you again.
A big shame on you for being so insulting. I'm sure you weren't raised to act like that.
I cannot imagine being so arrogant as to tell another person you pity them because they don't believe whatever your doctrines are, inferring they are not saved.......as you judged me.
Why did you even post in here? Just to toss a few rocks?
I hope you think about your posts in the future before your fiery tongue gets away from you again.
Why not simply learn what scripture tells us is so instead of limiting it, or over analyzing the simple truth of the Lord?
It is simply that when the tree of knowledge was eaten, man died in their sins. God did not want that for us, so God gave us a way out, and that way requires blood given on the altar, it requires Christ. For thousands of years that blood was symbolically used in the sacrificial system. In Isaiah we are told that it was not the blood of animals that God wanted, but the symbolic blood given for sins.
Today, the blood of Christ gives us salvation, our sins are completely wiped out and we are made into the perfection God requires of us to live with Him. Before Christ, that symbolic blood saved the saints in sleep but when Christ died for us the saints walked the streets of Jerusalem, as we are told in Matthews. Atonement became salvation and Christ fulfilled.
This simple truth is just how our world operates, and picking at it, adding our ideas to it, just muddies the waters.
It is simply that when the tree of knowledge was eaten, man died in their sins. God did not want that for us, so God gave us a way out, and that way requires blood given on the altar, it requires Christ. For thousands of years that blood was symbolically used in the sacrificial system. In Isaiah we are told that it was not the blood of animals that God wanted, but the symbolic blood given for sins.
Today, the blood of Christ gives us salvation, our sins are completely wiped out and we are made into the perfection God requires of us to live with Him. Before Christ, that symbolic blood saved the saints in sleep but when Christ died for us the saints walked the streets of Jerusalem, as we are told in Matthews. Atonement became salvation and Christ fulfilled.
This simple truth is just how our world operates, and picking at it, adding our ideas to it, just muddies the waters.
How someone recieves what Jesus has done is through faith. What did Jesus do on the cross . He said " it is finished " . What was finished ? He still had to rise .
We know that For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3 .
In what way did that benefit the whole world ?
Well for one thing everyone who believed in the OT their sins were redeemed . Rom 3
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
For everyone today also?
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 cor 5 .19
Eph 2
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14¶For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
All sin is dealt with as explained above .
The resurrection? 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Delivered for our sins ..Raised for Justification to be recieved through faith.
The good news is that Jesus has done it all . For everyone to come. No barriers . No enmity. No excuse . BUT . unless a person receives. John 1.12 then no glorification.
We know that For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3 .
In what way did that benefit the whole world ?
Well for one thing everyone who believed in the OT their sins were redeemed . Rom 3
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
For everyone today also?
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 cor 5 .19
Eph 2
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14¶For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
All sin is dealt with as explained above .
The resurrection? 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Delivered for our sins ..Raised for Justification to be recieved through faith.
The good news is that Jesus has done it all . For everyone to come. No barriers . No enmity. No excuse . BUT . unless a person receives. John 1.12 then no glorification.
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Yes Soggy, I have used atonement more than expiation.
I certainly did not expect there would be such a backlash over a perfectly good biblical word. that is ABOUT atonement.
oh well......
Wanted to make a statement against universal salvation......some object. I am surprised.
I certainly did not expect there would be such a backlash over a perfectly good biblical word. that is ABOUT atonement.
oh well......
Wanted to make a statement against universal salvation......some object. I am surprised.
I think universal salvation arises as an issue because there are scriptures that may allow a reader of them to infer as much. One that I know of that many cite in that belief is verse 10 in this chapter.
1 Timothy 4:6 By pointing out such things to the brothers and sisters,[f] you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, having nourished yourself on the words of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.[g] 7 But reject those myths[h] fit only for the godless and gullible,[i] and train yourself for godliness. 8 For “physical exercise[j] has some value, but godliness is valuable in every way. It holds promise for the present life and for the life to come.” 9 This saying[k] is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance. 10 In fact this is why[l] we work hard and struggle,[m] because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all people,[n] especially of believers.
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Yes Soggy, I have used atonement more than expiation.
I certainly did not expect there would be such a backlash over a perfectly good biblical word. that is ABOUT atonement.
oh well......
Wanted to make a statement against universal salvation......some object. I am surprised.
I certainly did not expect there would be such a backlash over a perfectly good biblical word. that is ABOUT atonement.
oh well......
Wanted to make a statement against universal salvation......some object. I am surprised.
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I have been gravitating to the Berean Study Bible for a while now
Here is a page with Romans 10:4 in multiple translations
Here is a page with Romans 10:4 in multiple translations
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I have been gravitating to the Berean Study Bible for a while now
Here is a page with Romans 10:4 in multiple translations
Here is a page with Romans 10:4 in multiple translations
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We are told something of those three days in 1 Peter 3: 18 "........after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm".
It goes on to explain some of what Christ did in those three days. That time is then compared to the ark that saved Noah and his family, and tells us water baptism is related to this.
It goes on to explain some of what Christ did in those three days. That time is then compared to the ark that saved Noah and his family, and tells us water baptism is related to this.
Neither do you, as your OP clearly shows. Indeed you are opposing what is clearly revealed in the Bible. The Lamb of God took away the SIN OF THE WORLD (John 1:29). Even Calvin could not twist that in his commentary. Check it out. Yet he deliberately distorted the Gospel, and you are one of his craven disciples.
The Bible refutes this preposterous and foolish statement quoted above: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)
The Bible clearly states that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and there there is NONE RIGHTEOUS, no not one. Therefore God the Father laid upon the Lamb of God, the iniquity of us ALL. Which means that Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9).
The Bible clearly states that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and there there is NONE RIGHTEOUS, no not one. Therefore God the Father laid upon the Lamb of God, the iniquity of us ALL. Which means that Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9).
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Yes Soggy, I have used atonement more than expiation.
I certainly did not expect there would be such a backlash over a perfectly good biblical word. that is ABOUT atonement.
oh well......
Wanted to make a statement against universal salvation......some object. I am surprised.
I certainly did not expect there would be such a backlash over a perfectly good biblical word. that is ABOUT atonement.
oh well......
Wanted to make a statement against universal salvation......some object. I am surprised.
in the OT law it was the sacrifice in the holy of holies
in the universe, it was the sacrifice of the sin.
he who knew no sin because sin for us that we might (the possibility) be made the righteousness of God in him.
we who are justified by faith, receive the result of that propitiation as a gift. The forgiveness of sin, and as the result, are born again into a new life Sealed by the spirit of God