Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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You are. What I did is repeat what the verse say and in my opinion that verse say salvation by grace through faith, mean not only grace, but there is one more to be codider, that is faith.
Is State an opinion mean condescending?
If your pastor preach: "you have to believe in Jesus to be save".
Is that condescending His member or you?. Basically this pastor told his member that they don't know they need to believe Jesus for salvation.
Is State an opinion mean condescending?
If your pastor preach: "you have to believe in Jesus to be save".
Is that condescending His member or you?. Basically this pastor told his member that they don't know they need to believe Jesus for salvation.
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Very well. I suppose I was rash in making conclusion, the forum sometimes gets to me, so please, forgive me, I'll do better.
I thought it was a given that non believers aren't saved... I did mention election by grace in the post you responded to. So, the elect are those who are saved by grace.
I thought it was a given that non believers aren't saved... I did mention election by grace in the post you responded to. So, the elect are those who are saved by grace.
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It says baptise in Mark 1.8 and baptise in 16 .16 . There's no mention of water in " Baptise with the Holy Ghost ' and no mention of water in 16.16 why do you assume water ? Just the word ' baptise doesn't necessarily mean water .
Acts 11 .
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized G907 with water; but ye shall be baptized G907 with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 11 .
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized G907 with water; but ye shall be baptized G907 with the Holy Ghost.
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Baptism of the holy spirit
romans 6, Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized (immersed) into Christ Jesus were baptized (Immersed) into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism (immersion) into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
this can only be done by the HS, it can not be done by some pastor immersion you in water
we are immersed INTO Christ, his death and his burial not water
1 cor 12 For by one Spirit (The Holy Spirit is doing the act) we were all baptized (Immersed) into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
again immersed into one body, not into water, by the Hs, not by man, and no water involved
Gal 3: 27 For as many of you as were baptized (immersed) into Christ have put on Christ.
again, immersed into Christ not water, only God can do this, not man, and no water involved
Col 2 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead
the circumcision or cleansing of our flesh, done by hand of God not man, how? Through being baptized into his death and burial (see Romans 6) and being raised in the same manner to new life, and again, this is the WORK OF GOD. Who raised him from the dead? Who are we told did all the work in and through Christ? yes, the Holy Spirit!
the problem with water baptismal regeneralationists is they see water wherever the word baptised is, it was never that way in the Greek and not that way in english
the washing of regeneration is not a work of man done in the work of water baptism, it’s a work of God, the Holy Spirit
Titus 3: 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but BY HIS MERCY he saved us by the washing (baptism) and regeneration (new birth) of The HOLy SPIRIT
romans 6, Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized (immersed) into Christ Jesus were baptized (Immersed) into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism (immersion) into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
this can only be done by the HS, it can not be done by some pastor immersion you in water
we are immersed INTO Christ, his death and his burial not water
1 cor 12 For by one Spirit (The Holy Spirit is doing the act) we were all baptized (Immersed) into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
again immersed into one body, not into water, by the Hs, not by man, and no water involved
Gal 3: 27 For as many of you as were baptized (immersed) into Christ have put on Christ.
again, immersed into Christ not water, only God can do this, not man, and no water involved
Col 2 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead
the circumcision or cleansing of our flesh, done by hand of God not man, how? Through being baptized into his death and burial (see Romans 6) and being raised in the same manner to new life, and again, this is the WORK OF GOD. Who raised him from the dead? Who are we told did all the work in and through Christ? yes, the Holy Spirit!
the problem with water baptismal regeneralationists is they see water wherever the word baptised is, it was never that way in the Greek and not that way in english
the washing of regeneration is not a work of man done in the work of water baptism, it’s a work of God, the Holy Spirit
Titus 3: 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but BY HIS MERCY he saved us by the washing (baptism) and regeneration (new birth) of The HOLy SPIRIT
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Worthy?
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
No one is ' worthy ' apart from Jesus.
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
No one is ' worthy ' apart from Jesus.
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They come to repentance after hearing the gospel - if they choose to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior of their life. God makes it so they are able to sufficiently understand it - if they're sincere in wanting to understand it. Anyone willfully resisting the gospel, will by their resistance - keep themselves by understanding the gospel. God's Spirit works to draw as many people to Him - save them - as much as is possible, always. That's why God commands everyone everywhere to repent:
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
KJV
God calls all people, but most reject Him. He calls them with His Spirit.
Matt 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
KJV
One example of one story in which it's clear God's Spirit directly called out to an unbeliever is Saul of Tarsus. He'd been a persecutor of Christians at that point.
Acts 9:4-5
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
KJV
Also, in the early part of the book of Acts when the Holy Spirit was outpoured - one result was that many got saved through the preaching of the apostles.
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
KJV
God calls all people, but most reject Him. He calls them with His Spirit.
Matt 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
KJV
One example of one story in which it's clear God's Spirit directly called out to an unbeliever is Saul of Tarsus. He'd been a persecutor of Christians at that point.
Acts 9:4-5
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
KJV
Also, in the early part of the book of Acts when the Holy Spirit was outpoured - one result was that many got saved through the preaching of the apostles.
