When Jesus 'broke the rules'

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Mark 2:27-28
27 And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Another declaration of His deity for those who could hear it.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Mark 2:27-28
27 And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Another declaration of His deity for those who could hear it.
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exactly
 
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Yes, God's laws are now written on our hearts with the blood of Jesus. Jesus who is the perfect example of living in obedience to God's laws.

Hebrews 8 (ESV)

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

lenna said:
what are you even talking about?

this is not a thread about law

Jesus is the end of the law. His work is finished. the 10 commandments were summed up by Jesus when He said love God and love your neighbor

we now have the Holy Spirit indwelling us and the law was only a shadow of what was to come...God's plan of restoration to all of mankind through the blood of His Son

people who are focused on the law cannot be focused on salvation at the same time
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God is perfect Love. God's Commandments (all 613 of them) is perfect love. Jesus / Yeshua came to give us hearts of perfect love, perfect love for God's Will / God's Commandments / God's Law. Jesus / Yeshua did not come as a blank cheque for those who do not give consideration to God's Will / God's Commandments / God's Law. Of the man-made rules we can say that definitely Jesus broke 'the rules' - the man-made ones; of God's rules, he was the perfect sacrificial offering, who never went against 'the rules' of God, God's Will / God's Commandments / God's Law. Not one of God's 613 mitzvot is contradictory to the principal of Love God with your all, and your neighbour as yourself. Jesus came to make this clear, and accomplish the purpose why God gave us his Will / Commandments / Law / 'rules', he loved God and his neighbours so much that he gave up his life as a sacrificial atonement offering, so we can once again enter into a new covenant with God, with all the 'rules'/Laws/Commandments from God still governing his covenant peoples lives.


Matthew 5 (NLT)

17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19 So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 “But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
 
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BenjaminN said:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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are you the house of Israel?

I am a Christian. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe in the salvation provided for by His sacrifice

all of this mumbo jumbo about the law and mixing old and new testament scripture is a manmade religion and not biblical

All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10

Jesus did not abolish the law because HE COMPLETED IT.. apparently you cannot grasp this

I won't respond to you again. your comments have NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread

you can copy/paste the entire Bible but that does not mean you understand it

do you preach law or salvation in South Africa?

again, I will not respond to you again. you do not address what I write anyway :rolleyes:
 
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lenna said:
are you the house of Israel?

I am a Christian. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe in the salvation provided for by His sacrifice

all of this mumbo jumbo about the law and mixing old and new testament scripture is a manmade religion and not biblical

All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10

Jesus did not abolish the law because HE COMPLETED IT.. apparently you cannot grasp this

I won't respond to you again. your comments have NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread

you can copy/paste the entire Bible but that does not mean you understand it

do you preach law or salvation in South Africa?

again, I will not respond to you again. you do not address what I write anyway :rolleyes:
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Do not add or take away from the whole of God's Word. It is eternal, and has eternal truth and promises for Israel his covenant people. The word "Christian" is nowhere to be found in God's Word, old and new testaments. The word "Christian" is a man-made word to describe those gathered and adopted peoples from the lost house of Israel from all tribes and tongues, to which lost Israel of the old testament were scattered to. All God's covenant people were gathered into one by Jesus / Yeshua. We as Christians / Judaic 'sect' of the Nazarenes / adherents to Messianic Judaism ( as you know Messiah = Christ, Christian = follower of the Jewish Messiah/Christ ) will endeavour to be walking in the way of our Messiah ( = Christ ) as Jesus / Yeshua showed us. All that is required is repentance from our old ways, and to turn to the will of God, as clearly shown in his Commandments of love. (PS. Jesus, all his disciples and the apostle Paul was members of the Judaic 'sect' of the Nazarenes, as defined by Messianic Judaism, and what we today call Christians.)


John 11 (ESV)

51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

Matthew 7 (ESV)

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'


Acts 24 (ESV)

1 And after five days the high priest Ananias came down with some elders and a spokesman, one Tertullus. They laid before the governor their case against Paul. 2 And when he had been summoned, Tertullus began to accuse him, saying: "Since through you we enjoy much peace, and since by your foresight, most excellent Felix, reforms are being made for this nation, 3 in every way and everywhere we accept this with all gratitude. 4 But, to detain you no further, I beg you in your kindness to hear us briefly. 5 For we have found this man a plague, one who stirs up riots among all the Jews throughout the world and is a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.
 
Blik

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lenna said:
like I said, read the thread

you are so focused on keeping parts of the law yourself that you cannot understand I am not even posting about the law

this thread is about JESUS. not the law or any part of it

stop focusing on the law and focus on JESUS
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I don't think you are clairvoyant so you know everything I think, nor are you a proper judge of all people and all things. Nor can you separate Jesus from the ways of the Lord. You may think you have these powers, you don't. No one does.
 
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lenna

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Blik said:
I don't think you are clairvoyant so you know everything I think, nor are you a proper judge of all people and all things. Nor can you separate Jesus from the ways of the Lord. You may think you have these powers, you don't. No one does.
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separate Jesus from the ways of the Lord?

so who is Jesus to you if you do not seem to think that Jesus is Lord?

scripture says He is Lord

this thread is not about the law. It is about Jesus and how He fulfills that law

most of us know you wish to keep parts of the law so let's not pretend otherwise
 
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lenna said:
what are you even talking about?

this is not a thread about law....
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Then we should take note that you're now admitting you didn't write the OP?
(Someones OP in this thread is pasted below)
lenna said:
Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there who had a withered hand. They watched him to see whether he would cure him on the sabbath, so that they might accuse him. And he said to the man who had the withered hand, “Come forward.” Then he said to them, “Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the sabbath, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. He looked around at them with anger; he was grieved at their hardness of heart and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. The Pharisees went out and immediately conspired with the Herodians against him, how to destroy him. (Mark 3:1–6)

oh no. on the Sabbath. the key to understanding this passage without taking sides with the Pharisees, is to understand the reason for the law given to Moses to give to the Israelites. reading the passage above today (read the whole chapter even better) we say we see the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, but what about those who insist Jesus was sinless and never broke any portion of the law?

perhaps the answer lies in priorities. or perhaps in a person's desire to be 'sinless' so as not be under condemnation

so why then, did Jesus heal on the Sabbath when God said to set that day apart right in the Decalogue (10 commandments) and do no work on that day ?
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lenna said:
separate Jesus from the ways of the Lord?

so who is Jesus to you if you do not seem to think that Jesus is Lord?

scripture says He is Lord

this thread is not about the law. It is about Jesus and how He fulfills that law

most of us know you wish to keep parts of the law so let's not pretend otherwise
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Why in the world are you so intent on being an enemy of others that you look for ways to twist things? Please put the spirit of Christ inside of you and accept others with the love of unity in Christ.
 
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Blik said:
Why in the world are you so intent on being an enemy of others that you look for ways to twist things? Please put the spirit of Christ inside of you and accept others with the love of unity in Christ.
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Joining you in that prayer. May Christ bring his light to their mind and heart. Amen.
 
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SoulWeaver said:
Fun fact: When stuff is put into quotation marks, it implies that what is within the quotation is not to be taken literally as intended understanding.
Example? The title of this thread: When Jesus 'broke the rules'
It means the author is NOT saying that Jesus literally broke the law, and she made it quite clear by using ''.
Also it was not even said "law", but "rules", she would not even put together such a sentence with Jesus, not even sarcastically. She does NOT want to present Jesus as a lawbreaker, but discuss the conflict of Jesus vs the Pharisees. Jesus did break the "norm", in some way.
I am baffled that in spite of this, she was taken in the worst way. Twice.
Why don't be stop presupposing the worst about one another and patiently inquire first if something seems off.
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How do you know her mind? And then presume to speak for what she intended or did not?
 
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SoulWeaver said:
Because she made her mind clear several times during the thread, after some attacked her.
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The one that was the most offensive is no longer a member. And to be fair, I don't see any attacks as attacks go on a forum as pertains to targeting her. Whereas she has proven herself prone to that here and in her other threads.
Furthermore, she's dishonest. This thread isn't about the law?
And lastly, as pertains to dishonest, she joined June 2nd 2020 but has recently said she's been here for years.
Four months+ isn't tallied as years.
 
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lenna said:
READ THE THREAD PEOPLE. READ THE THREAD

nowhere in this thread has anyone said Jesus sinned

if you cannot take the time to actually read and understand that, then you perhaps need to ask yourself if you think your opinion is more important than the facts
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Amen. The message of this thread was intended to be "Jesus Broke the Yoke" . That is exactly what the Law was. It was to show man his utter depravity, hopelessness, and inability to save himself. Jesus broke the chains and bars of that old Jailhouse. Some sad souls still hold that old prison in deep reverence to this very day. It was to show us our need for a Savior, not to be worshipped and adored.
 
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