The devil’s attitude towards the commandments of God

[SheepMary]

Job is LITERAL? So God has an actual hedge around Job, I wonder if it is a tall one, probably very green and leafy.
Or do you mean some is literal and some is not?

Satan roams the earth.......place to place........so that means you believe Satan has an attribute that only God has (omnipresence)?
So God was having this get-together and Satan shows up to mock God......the Creator of that old dragon.

There is a lot of wisdom in Job but it is still allegory. Like Pilgrim's Progress has great truths in an allegory tale.

By what standard do you judge a book to be literal or allegory?
And what do you use to know the differences in Revelation between literal, symbolic or allegory?
Maybe you haven't thought about the differences.
I just want to know what your thinking is.

Don't mock the Word of God.
satan is a generic name that includes him and all his rogues that fell and were cast down with him. satan is by no means the one and only devil, but he an entire army of devils.

Job is literal. Really happened.
Who can see into the spiritual world to know?
God said it; it's true. We're also told about this in Ecc but it's called "a wall."
He who digs a pit will fall into it, and a serpent will bite him who breaks through a wall. Ecc 10:8
Without doubt there is some kind of barrier.

Holy Spirit leads me to all truth.
Take this to the Lord and see what He reveals to you.

 

[SheepMary]

BAAAAAH

I quoted Scripture, add "said God" to all of it.
Look it up for yourself and stop mocking God.

 

[soggykitten]

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 1 John 2:1

Yes, that's chapter 2 of 1st John. My remarks concerned 1 John chapter 1.

Wherein we realize verse 9 is addressed to unbelievers. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous,[v] forgiving[w] us our sins and cleansing[x] us from all unrighteousness.
7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 John 3:9
We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18

There is a difference between sinning once / falling into sin opposed to persisting in sin as noted above. We are fully able to sin after being born again which is why 1 John 1:9 was written.

Those other chapters continue to address both the unbelievers and those in Christ at a time when Gnosticism was being taught in those lands.

The Book of 1 John
Date
The letter is difficult to date with precision, but factors such as (1) evidence from early Christian writers (Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria), (2) the early form of Gnosticism reflected in the denunciations of the letter and (3) indications of the advanced age of John suggest the end of the first century. Since the author of 1 John seems to build on concepts and themes found in the fourth Gospel (1Jn 2:7-11), it is reasonable to date the letter somewhere between a.d. 85 and 95, after the writing of the Gospel, which may have been written c. 85 (see Introduction to John: Date).

 

[soggykitten]

Don't mock the Word of God.
satan is a generic name that includes him and all his rogues that fell and were cast down with him. satan is by no means the one and only devil, but he an entire army of devils.

Job is literal. Really happened.
Who can see into the spiritual world to know?
God said it; it's true. We're also told about this in Ecc but it's called "a wall."
He who digs a pit will fall into it, and a serpent will bite him who breaks through a wall. Ecc 10:8
Without doubt there is some kind of barrier.

Holy Spirit leads me to all truth.
Take this to the Lord and see what He reveals to you.

I would suggest you cannot state the book of Job is literal as pertains to the hedge and then enter Ecclesiastes 10:8 and suggest there is a metaphor there as pertains to the wall. Some kind of barrier.

It may help all of us if you told us the answer to this. Do you believe all of the scripture in the bible is to be taken literally?

 

[Blik]

Maybe it would help to identify what parts of the law Jesus fulfilled? Especially with his sacrifice as the last unblemished lamb on the sin altar/cross.

Dual covenant theologies teach the old testament and God's law applies to Jews only. Some Christians, as we know, don't believe any part of God's law applies today. Which leads us to the ten commands that are God's law. And that God told us, in the new testament, he has written his laws on our hearts so that we would not be separated from them.
If they no longer apply God erred in that writing.

Jeremiah 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the LORD. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

The first converts to what today is still called, Christianity, were Jews.

Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are getting into a lot of theology and loosing scripture. The Lord worked with the Jews to teach them His ways by giving rules to follow, and the new covenant gives the spirit of the Lord to follow. That tangles a lot of men's thinking up and the idea of God only speaking to Jews came out of it. Yet in over fifty scriptures in the OT, God is explaining that any gentiles who will listen to Him, God includes them.

Please check on what I say. Use your concordance for stranger or sojourner.

Christ fulfilled all that was spoken of Him in the OT, and Christ fulfilled the sacrificial system. Theology does a number on that fact, including that all the OT is fulfilled so it can be wiped out. Fulfilled in scripture is used like we would use the word fulfill if we were speaking of a gas tank in a car. To fulfill the needs of a gas tank you would fill it up so it could be used to operate the car.

If you read Matt. 27: 52-53 you see that after Christ was crucified the salvation of the OT saints was made complete. They had been sleeping and now they walked the streets of Jerusalem. Christ fulfilled that system.
Don't take my word for any of this, check scripture.

 

[Blik]

I would suggest you cannot state the book of Job is literal as pertains to the hedge and then enter Ecclesiastes 10:8 and suggest there is a metaphor there as pertains to the wall. Some kind of barrier.

It may help all of us if you told us the answer to this. Do you believe all of the scripture in the bible is to be taken literally?

May I say that except for parables, all scripture can be taken literally. At the same time, all scripture is from a spiritual God and has a spiritual meaning. There is even a hidden meaning in all scripture that as we grow in the Lord we are able to find.

 

[Grandpa]

The devils "attitude" toward the commandments of God?

What do you think the accuser used to accuse the brethren before God???


The devil probably loves the commandments of God. Its Christians and the fruit of the Spirit that the devil hates.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The devils "attitude" toward the commandments of God?

What do you think the accuser used to accuse the brethren before God???


The devil probably loves the commandments of God. Its Christians and the fruit of the Spirit that the devil hates.

Yep without the commands he would have nothing to accuse us of

 

[Magenta]

May I say that except for parables, all scripture can be taken literally. At the same time, all scripture is from a spiritual God and has a spiritual meaning. There is even a hidden meaning in all scripture that as we grow in the Lord we are able to find.

If parables cannot be taken literally, then Jesus as the Good Shepherd does not leave the 99 to seek the lost one. And no one ever misplaced money and rejoiced after looking for and finding it. I could go through just about every parable to show how they are literally true, but hopefully the point has been made Metaphors are a different matter.

 

[CharliRenee]

Let's see...

God insist we do not harm others or ourselves in any way. I see the value in His commandments. Keeping it simple, it makes sense to me that walking with God, lining our thoughts, actions, and emotions with His will, doing justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with Him, radiates His Glory, because it is possible only with Him.

 

[soggykitten]

We are getting into a lot of theology and loosing scripture. The Lord worked with the Jews to teach them His ways by giving rules to follow, and the new covenant gives the spirit of the Lord to follow. That tangles a lot of men's thinking up and the idea of God only speaking to Jews came out of it. Yet in over fifty scriptures in the OT, God is explaining that any gentiles who will listen to Him, God includes them.

Please check on what I say. Use your concordance for stranger or sojourner.

Christ fulfilled all that was spoken of Him in the OT, and Christ fulfilled the sacrificial system. Theology does a number on that fact, including that all the OT is fulfilled so it can be wiped out. Fulfilled in scripture is used like we would use the word fulfill if we were speaking of a gas tank in a car. To fulfill the needs of a gas tank you would fill it up so it could be used to operate the car.

If you read Matt. 27: 52-53 you see that after Christ was crucified the salvation of the OT saints was made complete. They had been sleeping and now they walked the streets of Jerusalem. Christ fulfilled that system.
Don't take my word for any of this, check scripture.

I didn't say Jesus came only to save the Jews.
With regard to your statement the old testament is wiped out by the new, I don't accept that.

I know you've said you've studied for many years however I would ask you to consider you can still be wrong about things.
The old testament is the foundation of the new. Like a computer analogy? The old testament is the old program, the new testament is the update. You can't run a computer on just the update.

And just to throw this out there if there be a teaching that says the ten commands are dead too. Hogwash!
Maybe read them and then consider that line of thinking is saying those commands regarding ourselves and relationship to one another, and that of our relationship to God included in them, no longer apply.

Oh good! We can steal, lie, disrespect our parents, commit adultery, and be pagan.... See how that doesn't work out when thinking the ten commands , moral code, doesn't apply to the Christian today? When God wrote his laws on our heart what of that?

 

[Blik]

I didn't say Jesus came only to save the Jews.
With regard to your statement the old testament is wiped out by the new, I don't accept that.

I know you've said you've studied for many years however I would ask you to consider you can still be wrong about things.
The old testament is the foundation of the new. Like a computer analogy? The old testament is the old program, the new testament is the update. You can't run a computer on just the update.

And just to throw this out there if there be a teaching that says the ten commands are dead too. Hogwash!
Maybe read them and then consider that line of thinking is saying those commands regarding ourselves and relationship to one another, and that of our relationship to God included in them, no longer apply.

Oh good! We can steal, lie, disrespect our parents, commit adultery, and be pagan.... See how that doesn't work out when thinking the ten commands , moral code, doesn't apply to the Christian today? When God wrote his laws on our heart what of that?

I like your explanation of how the old testament is like the old programs in a computer.

It seems to me that the ten commandments were updated with the new covenant. Those same commandments were given to us in the spirit of the Lord, but the spirit is a better way. We could obey the rules and disobey the spirit, as Christ showed us when the rules of not working on the Sabbath and the spirit of the Lord with compassion for our fellow man were in conflict. The compassionate rule aced out the no work rule.

 

[Godcares]

The devils "attitude" toward the commandments of God?

What do you think the accuser used to accuse the brethren before God???


The devil probably loves the commandments of God. Its Christians and the fruit of the Spirit that the devil hates.

If the devil loves the commandments of God, then why was he the first one to disobey them?
1 John 3:8 says “for the devil sinned from the beginning.” (Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4))

The devil hates the commandments because they are the law of love (Romans 13:18-14).

In Matthew 22:37-40, it says “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

And yes, he does also hate the fruits of the Spirit and one of the fruits is love.

 

[Grandpa]

If the devil loves the commandments of God, then why was he the first one to disobey them?
1 John 3:8 says “for the devil sinned from the beginning.” (Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4))

The devil hates the commandments because they are the law of love (Romans 13:18-14).

In Matthew 22:37-40, it says “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

And yes, he does also hate the fruits of the Spirit and one of the fruits is love.

Do you hate the commandments? You also sinned from the beginning.

The commandments command Love but they don't produce it. That's what the devil loves. Something to accuse people over that they have no power or understanding to fulfill.

 

[lenna]

Do you hate the commandments? You also sinned from the beginning.

The commandments command Love but they don't produce it. That's what the devil loves. Something to accuse people over that they have no power or understanding to fulfill.

he is busy over in another thread...the one I recently started, telling me I need to repent because I called Jesus a sinner

anyone who actually took the time to read the thread, knows that is not at all what it was about

actually you even commented in that thread as well and understood it just fine

anyway...

 

[lenna]

The devil hates the commandments because they are the law of love (Romans 13:18-14).

this comment here, Mr Cares, is what the thread you fail to understand, was actually all about

the fact that the heart of the commandments illustrate God's love and Jesus showed that by His actions

you know, maybe you should slow down in your corrections and take the time to understand what is written

it is one thing to disagree about something, but your disagreement is because you totally confuse what is being said and then you throw the word 'repent' around.

not good

 

[Yahshua]

The commandments command Love but they don't produce it. That's what the devil loves. Something to accuse people over that they have no power [Grace] or understanding [Holy Spirit] to fulfill.

Still? Even after the gifts^ were given?

 

[Godcares]

Do you hate the commandments? You also sinned from the beginning.

The commandments command Love but they don't produce it. That's what the devil loves. Something to accuse people over that they have no power or understanding to fulfill.

I love the commandments of God because they represent love and God is love. (1 John 4:8)

Yes, they cannot produce love, but they tell us what love is.

They come from God and they are good.
James 1:17 says "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

 

[lenna]

I love the commandments of God because they represent love and God is love. (1 John 4:8)

Yes, they cannot produce love, but they tell us what love is.

They come from God and they are good.
James 1:17 says "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

do you also love Jesus who died for us in order for us to be acceptable to God in spite of the fact we could not keep the commandments?

do you preach law or salvation in South Africa?

Jesus summed up the commandments when He said we should love God and our neighbor. that is the heart of the commandments

the commandments would produce love if anyone could keep them. but again, Jesus died because we could not and cannot keep them

 

[Grandpa]

Still? Even after the gifts^ were given?

Especially after the gifts were given.