When Jesus 'broke the rules'

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Tararose said:
Was simply clarifying the reason Christ did not break the law in the instance given by the person I quoted. My reply was just to that person. Wasn’t referring to your posts. Thanks
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no problem at all. just me getting defensive (for some reason :confused: )
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Constructive criticism can be good but we have to discern when we may need to check ourselves.
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The unconstructive criticism, or otherwise known as being a cymbal...
This is speaking to indulge the flesh and to appear righteous in one's own eyes.

 
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Tararose said:
Jesus did not actually break the law of God - in this instance or any other.
They wanted to Trick Him. Had he stoned her or Said ok stone her, he would have actually broken the law.... of course if he had said let her go free it would also have appeared he was breaking the law of Moses. This was because of how they presented Their question, very cunningly- or so they thought. Jesus as usual answered the matter of their hearts and showed mercy - all
Without breaking one letter of the law of God.
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all through the Bible we see God forgiving and forgiving. He calls to the rebellious Israelites over and over to turn from their sin and by the time Jesus came onto the scene, the Pharisees had basically taken the original law and added to it and created a burdensome and illegal set of law of their own. not to be funny, but kind of like the Supremes here interpreting the constitution making more law rather than understanding and holding up what has been given

the forgiveness of sins by ONE sacrifice for all time is the completion of the law

we now have one Mediator, we don't need another Moses, or the High Priest...we have THE High Priest whose blood always pleads our case before our Heavenly Father :)

I used to wrestle with Jesus words where He says this:

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light. Matthew 11

I didn't see how that could be.
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I agree. I once felt uneasy about this scripture in understanding burden. I see how we will face persecution and trials and I was like how is the burden light. But now I understand the context of the verse.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
I agree. I once felt uneasy about this scripture in understanding burden. I see how we will face persecution and trials and I was like how is the burden light. But now I understand the context of the verse.
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I don't know how He does it, but in the midst of the worst things, His peace and comfort can just surround and envelop you and you know it's 'ok'
 
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SheepMary said:
The temple was built on a pretty substantial platform base of stone. You can still see the temple mount today. It's stone. Jesus is God, He taught in the temple.
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You can? Where? They tempke was so utterly destroyed Josephus states when he went after the destruction there was no sign it was ever there. We have many eyewitness accounts to this truth
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You can? Where? They tempke was so utterly destroyed Josephus states when he went after the destruction there was no sign it was ever there. We have many eyewitness accounts to this truth
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not trying to moderate, but please don't invoke that anger

I don't need that wrath in my life :eek:

we know better any ole way ;)

off to have a much needed cup of :coffee:. you are welcome to have one too

gonna do some planting too
 
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lenna said:
I don't know how He does it, but in the midst of the worst things, His peace and comfort can just surround and envelop you and you know it's 'ok'
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Agree. I began to understand the yoke of His teachings made the burden light in reality with being in the will of thd Father. His teaching would destroy the legalistic burden and sacrificial ceremonies just to be made clean or atone for our sins. We are redeemed in Christ. Related to soul salvation, Jesus paved the way. The burden is light. It doesn't mean the journey will not have its valleys and mountains but our earthly journey is tiny in comparison to eternity.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Agree. I began to understand the yoke of His teachings made the burden light in reality with being in the will of thd Father. His teaching would destroy the legalistic burden and sacrificial ceremonies just to be made clean or atone for our sins. We are redeemed in Christ. Related to soul salvation, Jesus paved the way. The burden is light. It doesn't mean the journey will not have its valleys and mountains but our earthly journey is tiny in comparison to eternity.
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it took a long time for me to work through and finally throw off the judgement I have had drummed into me

still working on it actually. could not do it without the Holy Spirit and the love of God and Jesus my Savior
 
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SheepMary said:
Really?

Is this what you want to be known for when your works go on the altar? Is this gold or is it straw?

So, with all the temple servants-- even if there's a dusting of sand blown or tracked in. would the stone that Jesus was standing on be gone?

The stone of the temple (mount) is still there today.

What are you trying to accomplish?

We know Jesus always taught in the temple.

Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world. I have always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all Jews come together. I have said nothing in secret. John 18:20


So what is this...?
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Your claim was, there is no sand in the temple.

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Jesus was in the temple. The temple is made of stone. Jesus was writing (with the finger of God) on stone. No sand.
((Just like the 10 Commandments were written in stone by the finger of God.))
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On what grounds do you make such an assertion?

You could just admit it is only your opinion, and not Scripture.


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... you post your opinions and not the eternal Word of God: the Holy Bible...
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I do not believe he broke the law. He operated out of love for the father and his neighbor. Which in his own words is fulfilling the law not breaking it
 
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lenna said:
it took a long time for me to work through and finally throw off the judgement I have had drummed into me

still working on it actually. could not do it without the Holy Spirit and the love of God and Jesus my Savior
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It can be difficult. The trick is to understanding the difference between judgement and disappointment.

In Christ we are sealed.


Ephesians 4:30
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30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

To grieve is different than facing eternal damnation for our errors or even stubbornness.
 
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SheepMary said:
How dare you say that Christ broke the law!
If Christ had broken the law He is guilty of sin and therefore could NOT have been raised from the dead! Stop your heresy!
Jesus Christ was absolutely sinless and NEVER broke any part of the law. He is the law. You do not have understanding of what you speak.

Where are you people getting all this false doctrine? How terrible!!!
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So it is a law to work on the Sabbath? You would think that a Christian would know that any other Christian would tell of how the rule was broken so the law could be kept.

Have you taken Christ into your heart? Christ in the heart works for peace.
 
Magenta

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Hopefully we all affirm that Christ was sinless and fulfilled the law :)

Jesus repeatedly showed the teachers of the law how wrong they were about their interpretations of the law.
 
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Magenta said:
Hopefully we all affirm that Christ was sinless and fulfilled the law :)

Jesus repeatedly showed the teachers of the law how wrong they were about their interpretations of the law.
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As to why I do not trust the Talmud. It was these oral interpretations that probably led to such disconnect from the basics of the Mosaic law.
 
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lenna said:
it took a long time for me to work through and finally throw off the judgement I have had drummed into me

still working on it actually. could not do it without the Holy Spirit and the love of God and Jesus my Savior
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I love it when an argue thread evolves into a praise thread...
We need to do this more often :D
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
What does your profile picture represent? Looks like a crown of some sort lol.
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It's a character from The Color of Pomegranates movie, to me personally it represents Sayat Nova's new self after becoming a Christian...
 
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