When are we saved ?

[OIC1965]

Same thing as the rich young ruler

And Jesus said “ with man impossible, but with God all things are possible

Same thing as the folks in John 6. And Jesus said no one is able to come unless the Father draws them

Inability based on love of sin and unwillingness to come.

If I really love my wife and children, I am unable to leave them. It doesnt mean it’s physically impossible, it means it is morally impossible and unthinkable, as long as my love is true and real.

Some things are impossible because it is not in our nature. But if something happens to affect that....

 

[throughfaith]

Same thing as the rich young ruler

And Jesus said “ with man impossible, but with God all things are possible

Same thing as the folks in John 6. And Jesus said no one is able to come unless the Father draws them

Inability based on love of sin and unwillingness to come.

Are you not reading an awful lot into '
with man impossible, but with God all things are possible?

 

[OIC1965]

Are you not reading an awful lot into '
with man impossible, but with God all things are possible?

What did Jesus say was impossible in Mark 10

What did He say they were not able to do in John 6?

 

[throughfaith]

Same thing as the rich young ruler

And Jesus said “ with man impossible, but with God all things are possible

Same thing as the folks in John 6. And Jesus said no one is able to come unless the Father draws them

Inability based on love of sin and unwillingness to come.

I'd say without God its impossible to have eternal life .

 

[throughfaith]

What did Jesus say was impossible in Mark 10

What did He say they were not able to do in John 6?

Your ignoring John 12 ?

 

[throughfaith]

I came to this late, but does "though faith" deny the doctrine of the Trinity??

Erm no , I do not .

 

[throughfaith]

Same thing as the rich young ruler

And Jesus said “ with man impossible, but with God all things are possible

Same thing as the folks in John 6. And Jesus said no one is able to come unless the Father draws them

Inability based on love of sin and unwillingness to come.

I thought you were saying its based on God drawing, not there love of sin and unwillingness?

 

[OIC1965]

Your ignoring John 12 ?

What about it?

I guess if I don’t comment on every chapter of the Bible...?

 

[OIC1965]

I thought you were saying its based on God drawing, not there love of sin and unwillingness?

No. Moral inability is not based on God’s drawing. Why would you suppose that?

God doesn’t draw people to sin.

 

[OIC1965]

Erm no , I do not .

We

I'd say without God its impossible to have eternal life .

no man is able to come to me...unless the Father draws Him

 

[OIC1965]

Erm no , I do not .

No.

 

[throughfaith]

What about it?

I guess if I don’t comment on every chapter of the Bible...?

John 12 .
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

 

[throughfaith]

No. Moral inability is not based on God’s drawing. Why would you suppose that?

God doesn’t draw people to sin.

You said no one can come unless they are drawn . But then you say they don't come because of sin .

 

[throughfaith]

We


no man is able to come to me...unless the Father draws Him

But you say the reason they don't come is because of sin ? which is it ? Surely your saying the reason they don't come is because the Father is not drawing that individual.

 

[throughfaith]

What did Jesus say was impossible in Mark 10

What did He say they were not able to do in John 6?

The whole point of Mark 10 starts with
15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein

Then Jesus explains that you cannot enter by your own efforts . With man its impossible.

 

[throughfaith]

We are saved when we trust the one who did everything for us . Simple .

 

[OIC1965]

John 12 .
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Yes. Jesus died for all men.

 

[OIC1965]

We are saved when we trust the one who did everything for us . Simple .

I agree.

 

[OIC1965]

The whole point of Mark 10 starts with
15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein

Then Jesus explains that you cannot enter by your own efforts . With man its impossible.

And the same is true today. You think you believed all by your lonesome, not realizing that God drew you.

 

[peldom10]

is coming to Jesus the same as faith in Jesus? Yes or no?

Yes...having faith is reason to come too Christ.......why is this a question issue?
Bible study is indicated here.