No. Different context. Jesus didn’t say all that are drawn into Him will come in John 12
When are we saved ?
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No. Different context. Jesus didn’t say all that are drawn into Him will come in John 12
I am speaking of coming to Jesus in the John 6:35 sense. Jesus has a different meaning for “ come unto me” than you do”
Didn’t He tell people who came to Him In your sense “ you will not come to. Me”.
Jesus didn't say he wasn't a champion figure skater either . We should stick to what has been revealed.
Why didn’t they believe? What was preventing them. They were unwilling and unable. Just like the rich young ruler.
Read John 5:40.
you.
I’m not dividing persons. Just roles.
You’re the one who claimed the persons of the Trinity act while others are not active.
Were talking about ' draw' that's what it says . Sane
John 5 .
38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
The point is about the sheep who were already learning from the Father. These recognised Jesus words also Because they knew the Fathers ' words ' ( Scriptures) Think of those that were following the scriptures v the ones who had deviated from the scriptures.
That’s funny. No, Jesus did not say He was a champion figure skater because He wasn’t.
What did you think you just proved?
Nope . I don't believe the Father or the Holy Spirit became a man and died on a cross . I believe they were all active. But in different roles . its a silly thing to say , because ' active and inactive don't apply as the being of God is Spirit and the being is ONE .
So then....
The Pharisees who didnt believe didn’t understand or recognize the scriptures than, right?
Because it takes more than reading, and studying, and hearing the scriptures to understand them RIGHT?!!
What else does it take?
That we should stick to what has been revealed . We should not make arguments about what was not said.
The Father and Spirit were active in the incarnation. Not inactive. Yet you have the Spirit inactive (not working) while the Father and Son are drawing. See how that works.
Yes. And John 6 said that those who are drawn come and John 12 does not mention if they come or not, right?
Explain to me what "two different deliverances" is about.
As I understand deliverance, it is to be delivered from the punishment of our sin (by the blood of Christ)
So is eternal deliverance for time and eternity or just for eternity, so how does time fit in?
The Pharisees heard the scriptures constantly. Yet most of them did not come.
What prevents is no different today . Refusing to believe the truth so as to be saved.
Same thing as the rich young ruler
And Jesus said “ with man impossible, but with God all things are possible
Same thing as the folks in John 6. And Jesus said no one is able to come unless the Father draws them
Inability based on love of sin and unwillingness to come.