When are we saved ?
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Romans 8: 29-30 puts predestination before calling and justification.
this negates. your predestining already existing saints argument pretty thoroughly
It says whom He predestinated, he called and justified. This puts predestination BEFORE faith, because justification is by faith.
Romans 8: 29-30 puts predestination before calling and justification.
this negates. your predestining already existing saints argument pretty thoroughly
It says whom He predestinated, he called and justified. This puts predestination BEFORE faith, because justification is by faith.
Its why some in church are afraid to ask questions..they don't want to say something ' unorthodox ' , something that might clash without what some so called giant of the faith taught that we should believe hundreds of years ago , or a confession that we cannot possibly call into question .
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We’ve already discussed the present and future aspects of adoption numerous times
Even the video you posted stated that there is a present and future aspect of salvation. See 1 Peter 1:8-9
Adoption is part of salvation and the Bible speaks of it both having a present aspect and a future aspect,just as it says the same about salvation
There is also a present and future aspect to sanctification
We’ve gone over this at least five times.
Even the video you posted stated that there is a present and future aspect of salvation. See 1 Peter 1:8-9
Adoption is part of salvation and the Bible speaks of it both having a present aspect and a future aspect,just as it says the same about salvation
There is also a present and future aspect to sanctification
We’ve gone over this at least five times.
Yes the redemption of the body which is the adoption, which we are predestined to is the final part of our salvation. Rom 13.11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Don't you think the comfort Paul is giving in Romans 8 is their predestination to their adoption . Don't you see Paul is revealing the amazing things that we have IN CHRIST especially as we formerly had NO HOPE and were strangers? That their future adoption is certain . Why? because of verse 5 . Then verses 13-14 . Choose a destination ahead of time . The Adoption . This is the basis for eternal security..
Don't you think the comfort Paul is giving in Romans 8 is their predestination to their adoption . Don't you see Paul is revealing the amazing things that we have IN CHRIST especially as we formerly had NO HOPE and were strangers? That their future adoption is certain . Why? because of verse 5 . Then verses 13-14 . Choose a destination ahead of time . The Adoption . This is the basis for eternal security..
So as i have said. I believe we are predestined after we believe which is in keeping with what that bible says about who saves . Jesus and being in him . This means my salvation was based on faith in the death , burial and resurrection for my sins according to the Scriptures. This is in keeping with Ephesians 1, 4- 14 and eph 2.11-12 where is clear that we were strangers from everything and without hope and without God .. I have my Adoption/ Glorification secure as good as done , because I am in Christ and all those in Christ are predestined to glorification ( Adoption)
You seem to believe you were predestined to conversion. Which means you were chosen outside of the death , burial and resurrection, before the fall , before you sinned , before faith , and before being in Chirst . I'm sticking to the bible on this one . Its about Jesus not us .
You seem to believe you were predestined to conversion. Which means you were chosen outside of the death , burial and resurrection, before the fall , before you sinned , before faith , and before being in Chirst . I'm sticking to the bible on this one . Its about Jesus not us .
