When are we saved ?

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OIC1965 said:
All those words are in the Bible. So if you think the Bible is Calvinistic, maybe you should become a Calvinist.

And no, they do not add up to the same concept. Election and chosen are the same. Foreknowledge is different

We are elected ACCORDING TO the foreknowledge of God.

There. That’s my definition of election.

What does foreknow mean? To know a person beforehand.

There. Everything’s defined for you.
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Elected to do what ? Peter is talking to you is he ?
 
OIC1965 said:
Election means choice

Foreknowledge means the knowledge of someone before

I say knowledge of someone because Romans 8:29 says God knew WHOS, NOT WHATS

Predestination is what God has chosen us to

God has chosen that we should be conformed to the image of His sin, adoption, and an inheritance

We are chosen for the purpose that we should holy and without blame before Him in love

We are chosen and elected according to ( in accordance with) God’s foreknowledge, ( foreknowing US) Romans 8:20
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Chosen TO DO what ?
 
OIC1965 said:
Election means choice

Foreknowledge means the knowledge of someone before

I say knowledge of someone because Romans 8:29 says God knew WHOS, NOT WHATS

Predestination is what God has chosen us to

God has chosen that we should be conformed to the image of His sin, adoption, and an inheritance

We are chosen for the purpose that we should holy and without blame before Him in love

We are chosen and elected according to ( in accordance with) God’s foreknowledge, ( foreknowing US) Romans 8:20
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We ( Gentiles ) were STRANGERS before we become in him . You are not ISRAEL .Israel are the elect according to foreknowledge. As romantic as Calvinism wants to re write the bible to be all about the frozen chosen . ISRAEL is the ELECT . CHOSEN FOR A PURPOSE AND SERVICE . Jesus is THE ELECT..was he chosen to be saved before the foundation of the world ?
 
EleventhHour said:
See you did not answer my question... sigh .. I give up.

R. C. Sproul would clearly state YES God chose those individuals for salvation and only those individuals.
Yet this has far reaching implications and R. C. Sproul accepted those implications as well.

Alright, I have learned well enough that once this dogma once it is in someone's mind it is hard for them to see otherwise.
Movin on.....
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I never claimed to be RC Sproul, so what’s you’re point

OIC is a Calvinist, so he must believe these things. Premise and conclusion both false

ROTFL
 
throughfaith said:
We ( Gentiles ) were STRANGERS before we become in him . You are not ISRAEL .Israel are the elect according to foreknowledge. As romantic as Calvinism wants to re write the bible to be all about the frozen chosen . ISRAEL is the ELECT . CHOSEN FOR A PURPOSE AND SERVICE . Jesus is THE ELECT..was he chosen to be saved before the foundation of the world ?
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Jesus was saved?!!! Oh my!!!
 
OIC1965 said:
Refute any part of this using scripture.

Election means choice

Foreknowledge means the knowledge of someone before. I say knowledge of someone because Romans 8:29 says God knew WHOS, NOT WHATS

Predestination is what God has chosen us to. God has chosen that we should be conformed to the image of His sin, adoption, and an inheritance. Romans 8:29. Ephesians 1:11, Ephesians 1:5

We are chosen for the purpose that we should holy and without blame before Him in love. Ephesians 1:4

We are chosen and elected according to ( in accordance with) God’s foreknowledge, (foreknowing US) Romans 8:20

100 percent scripture truth.
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I agree with most of what you say here . I think your hung up on this ' foreknowledge ' business. This is why your sounding contradictory at times . And a little confused .
 
EleventhHour said:
See you did not answer my question... sigh .. I give up.

R. C. Sproul would clearly state YES God chose those individuals for salvation and only those individuals.
Yet this has far reaching implications and R. C. Sproul accepted those implications as well.

Alright, I have learned well enough that once this dogma once it is in someone's mind it is hard for them to see otherwise.
Movin on.....
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So RC Sproul believes something, that means I believe it to?!! Lol

You are beginning with the assumption that I am Calvinist and pinning doctrines on me based on your assumption.

You’re hilarious!!
 
throughfaith said:
I agree with most of what you say here . I think your hung up on this ' foreknowledge ' business. This is why your sounding contradictory at times . And a little confused .
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Romans 8:28-30. Is it talking about only Jews? Think before you answer
 
OIC1965 said:
Jesus was saved?!!! Oh my!!!
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That was a question that was asked, not a statement.

The question being, since Jesus was chosen, does that mean He was chosen to be saved?

The answer should be obvious :)

Having said that, I can also see how it could be twisted around any which way :censored:
 
OIC1965 said:
Chosen by God that (πίνα of purpose) we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. ( Ephesians 1:4)
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Yes all those in Him . Once in him . Blessed with all spiritual blessings in him . I'n him . in christ . Now read Eph 2 .11-12 . Read about us gentiles and tell me if God ' knew ' you in any sense and chose you personally to do anything in any sense. Yes God purposed that all those who would become in him would be blessed with all things ect . Arminians like Calvinists invent the romantic idea that God knew you before your parents did and ordered each step of your life leading up to conversion, sending at the right time ,that special inner call and awakened you and you just knew all along you had been selected.
 
Magenta said:
That was a question that was asked, not a statement.

The question being, since Jesus was chosen, does that mean He was chosen to be saved?

The answer should be obvious :)

It is obvious. A resounding no.

Jesus did not need to be justified either. Romans 8:33
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