When are we saved ?

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OIC1965

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throughfaith said:
I finally understood as I searched out what it meant .Think Peter . Thomas . The bereans .
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Peter and Thomas had been instructed by the OT and probably John Baptist. The Bereans, at least some of them, had been instructed by the OT too.
 
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Why did you feel inclined to search it out? I mean, who believes in the foolishness of the cross, if not those who are being saved.
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Paul in Corinthians is contrasting man's wisdom v Gods wisdom. If a person seeks answers in man's wisdom, God's wisdom will be foolishness to him . The remedy is God's wisdom. To believe that . This is also mainly aimed at the carnal Christians at corinth .
 
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Paul in Corinthians is contrasting man's wisdom v Gods wisdom. If a person seeks answers in man's wisdom, God's wisdom will be foolishness to him . The remedy is God's wisdom. To believe that . This is also mainly aimed at the carnal Christians at corinth .
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Ok, so who believes the foolishness of the cross? It’s highly counterintuitive to the natural mind, is it not?

What evidence has been presented to you that the Gospel is true?

I have the greatest evidence that the Gospel is true possible.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Please specifically tell me what Romans 10:9-10 tells us to do.
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8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14¶How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ok, so who believes the foolishness of the cross? It’s highly counterintuitive to the natural mind, is it not?

What evidence has been presented to you that the Gospel is true?

I have the greatest evidence that the Gospel is true possible.
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The issue with your questions is your presumptions and bias is loaded in your question.
 
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OIC1965 said:
And Jesus said everyone who serves sin is a slave to sin. I was a big time slave to sin, but Jesus changed it all, and it was all Him and will be all Him, from beginning to end. Phil. 1:6
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Being a slave, does not mean a slave cannot realise his bondage .
 
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8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14¶How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Thank you. I was wondering why you were hesitant to state what it said at first.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Yes. A slave may realize his bondage, but can he free himself?
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No not if he's in chains . But he can cry out for help and call out to be freed . Jesus then breaks those chains. I feel a song coming on lol .
 
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No not if he's in chains . But he can cry out for help and call out to be freed . Jesus then breaks those chains. I feel a song coming on lol .
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Does a slave who loves his master desire to be free? And will one who has no such desire call upon Jesus?
 
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They were unable to believe because they were not learning of the Father . There's no point in God being amazed and disappointed at their rejection and unbelief if they were unable to do so .
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So we must learn of God to believe. You’re right.

We must hear and learn of Him.

Guess who’s the initiator in that exchange. Not us.
 
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We believe . This pleases God . 1 cor 1.21
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Like children we have faith. It is not the mental gymnastics kind of, to believe or not believe, consider this..., consider this, ... consider this..., and only then I believe - no if the the believe of faith is granted by God's grace, it is childlike.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Does a slave who loves his master desire to be free? And will one who has no such desire call upon Jesus?
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See what Calvinsm teaches ( And Arminians) is that we cannot even believe or respond positively to God's revelation unless he is partially or fully regenerated first . This , whilst sounds logical and plausible and if you hand pick some verses ,squint your eyes a certain way ,you can begin to start seeing this concept. Its like one of those pictures where you stare at and its either a rabbit or a duck, depending on which you see first. Its hard to then unsee the duck and find the rabbit once you now see the duck. The truth is the rabbit .
 
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