When are we saved ?

[throughfaith]

Did these passages exclude the Holy Spirit?

Let's look at the verses that say ' Holy Spirit did...ect

 

[OIC1965]

All are granted to come............................ and love of sin is different from slave to sin.

Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin. That’s pretty universal right there.

 

[OIC1965]

Let's look at the verses that say ' Holy Spirit did...ect

If there is no need for the Spirit in the Gospel proclaimation, why was He sent?

 

[throughfaith]

I said BEFORE faith

We were all slaves to sin before we believed. All of us, without exception.

It also says we are dead to sin . Does that mean we don't sin anymore ?

 

[throughfaith]

Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin. That’s pretty universal right there.

Of course . A lost person cannot be a slave to righteousness. A slave can also realise he's in bondage .

 

[OIC1965]

Isnt that speaking to disciples?

Yes. The disciples were commanded to wait until the would be endued with power from on high. Now read what Joel prophecied concerning that.

 

[OIC1965]

It also says we are dead to sin . Does that mean we don't sin anymore ?

No, it means sin has no dominion over us ANY MORE. Like it USED TO.

 

[throughfaith]

If there is no need for the Spirit in the Gospel proclaimation, why was He sent?

isn't it better to search for where it says the Holy Spirit did this or that ,than speculate ?

 

[throughfaith]

Yes. The disciples were commanded to wait until the would be endued with power from on high. Now read what Joel prophecied concerning that.

Which most is yet future. Its about them not us .

 

[OIC1965]

isn't it better to search for where it says the Holy Spirit did this or that ,than speculate ?

Many places in Acts.

 

[throughfaith]

Many places in Acts.

Ok and as we go through we see its specific.

 

[OIC1965]

Which most is yet future. Its about them not us .

The first part has been fulfilled. The prophecy is telescoped

 

[OIC1965]

Ok and as we go through we see its specific.

What made you willing in the day of salvation?

 

[throughfaith]

No, it means sin has no dominion over us ANY MORE. Like it USED TO.

I agree . Before we did not have option b) be a slave to righteousness.

 

[throughfaith]

What made you willing in the day of salvation?

Which verse is that ?

 

[specialtogod]

i had a dream where i was trying to get people in to heaven and a demon appeared to me and said why your trying to save them your not even saved yourself then he paused for a moment and said oh yes you are and that is what i go on

 

[OIC1965]

I agree . Before we did not have option b) be a slave to righteousness.

That is inability, is it not?

 

[OIC1965]

Which verse is that ?

We’re you saved? What made you willing to believe? What made you willing to come to Jesus?

 

[throughfaith]

What made you willing in the day of salvation?

Not sure what you mean . This sounds like " when did you stop beating your wife " questions lol 😆 Your assuming we need to be ' made ' willing ?

 

[OIC1965]

Not sure what you mean . This sounds like " when did you stop beating your wife " questions lol 😆 Your assuming we need to be ' made ' willing ?

Were you willing to believe before you believed?