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When are we saved ?
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A person may come to Christ IF THEY ARE WILLING. What is the deciding factor between a person who is willing and a person who is unwilling? What makes one person willing and another unwilling to come to Christ? Have you ever asked that question?
AHA!!! Slavery to sin. So a person must be brought to a point where they no longer love their sin to the degree that they are unwilling to come to Christ, right? I think God has a little or a lot of something to do with that.
God has many ways to bring a person to that point.
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eternally-gratefull
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They also made their own God also, I think we can think about this and determine that it is the idea that you can be your own God,AHA!!! Slavery to sin. So a person must be brought to a point where they no longer love their sin to the degree that they are unwilling to come to Christ, right? I think God has a little or a lot of something to do with that.
Remember I posted some verses about things that make people unable to believe. Like when Jesus said "why do you not understand what I am saying, because you are unable to hear my word. " Eleven and Throughfaith have no room for this type of theology, even though the Bible is filled with these types of things. LIke, with man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
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eternally-gratefull
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They see you as a calvinist, so everything you say will be seen through those glasses
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EleventhHour
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All are granted to come............................ and love of sin is different from slave to sin.
Wed have to find what the text says on this . Romans 1.16 . John 12 .32 and John 16.8 is a good place to start .
Are you sure about the last part?
They were unable to believe because they were not learning of the Father . There's no point in God being amazed and disappointed at their rejection and unbelief if they were unable to do so .
Your thinking in low resolution. In broad strokes . We can use a high resolution to find out these things .
I will quote you, and ask you is it your faith, of God's given faith that was granted to you freely:
You say: "I don't believe",
verb: do is an action of work, don't is the absence of work
So you say: I work not believe - which is opposite of I work believe
By grace, it is God that works believe in Him.
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John 5:40
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and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Genesis 24:5
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The servant said to him, “Suppose the woman is not willing to follow me to this land; should I take your son back to the land from where you came?”
Genesis 24:8
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But if the woman is not willing to follow you, then you will be free from this my oath; only do not take my son back there.”
Genesis 24:39
I said to my master, ‘Suppose the woman does not follow me.’
Numbers 10:30
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But he said to him, “I will not come, but rather will go to my own land and relatives.”
Deuteronomy 1:26
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“Yet you were not willing to go up, but rebelled against the command of the Lord your God;
Deuteronomy 25:7
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But if the man does not desire to take his brother’s wife, then his brother’s wife shall go up to the gate to the elders and say, ‘My husband’s brother refuses to establish a name for his brother in Israel; he is not willing to perform the duty of a husband’s brother to me.’
Deuteronomy 25:8
Then the elders of his city shall summon him and speak to him. And if he persists and says, ‘I do not desire to take her,’
Deuteronomy 2:30
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But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today.
Judges 19:10
But the man was not willing to spend the night, so he arose and departed and came to a place opposite Jebus (that is, Jerusalem). And there were with him a pair of saddled donkeys; his concubine also was with him.
1 Samuel 22:17
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And the king said to the guards who were attending him, “Turn around and put the priests of the Lord to death, because their hand also is with David and because they knew that he was fleeing and did not reveal it to me.” But the servants of the king were not willing to put forth their hands to attack the priests of the Lord.
2 Samuel 6:10
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And David was unwilling to move the ark of the Lord into the city of David with him; but David took it aside to the house of Obed-edom the Gittite.
Mark 6:26
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And although the king was very sorry, yet because of his oaths and because of his dinner guests, he was unwilling to refuse her.
Luke 18:4
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For a while he was unwilling; but afterward he said to himself, ‘Even though I do not fear God nor respect man,
John 21:18
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Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to gird yourself and walk wherever you wished; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will gird you, and bring you where you do not wish to go.”
Matthew 1:19
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And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly.
2 Corinthians 9:7
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Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Ezekiel 3:27
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But when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you will say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’ He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house.
2 Samuel 12:4
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“Now a traveler came to the rich man,
And he was unwilling to take from his own flock or his own herd,
To prepare for the wayfarer who had come to him;
Rather he took the poor man’s ewe lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”
Isaiah 30:15
For thus the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, has said,
“In repentance and rest you will be saved,
In quietness and trust is your strength.”
But you were not willing,
Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
Luke 13:34
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O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!
Matthew 22:3
And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
Matthew 21:29
And he answered, ‘I will not’; but afterward he regretted it and went.
its a matter of the heart. Which we can harden .
With the flesh its always the pull to sin . Rom 7 . Rom 12.2 . Thats why we groan and long for the redemption of the Body . The Adoption. Rom 8.23
"your awakened a frozen chosen? " - Again God awakes the frozen chosen, God sends the message of the Gospel to the "frozen chosen", by the good works God has prepared. Grace, just like that!! All from God, bestowed on whom he pleases.
I said BEFORE faith
We were all slaves to sin before we believed. All of us, without exception.