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EleventhHour
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Funny again... not the playbook I meant it is the dreaded "C" playbook... seems it we cannot mention his name anymore even though it is his faulty interpretation pervades now .... in every nook and crannyWhen are we saved ?
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Funny again... not the playbook I meant it is the dreaded "C" playbook... seems it we cannot mention his name anymore even though it is his faulty interpretation pervades now .... in every nook and crannySo.. you just wake up one day and zap !!! your awakened a frozen chosen? No Gospel, no faith , just kazam!! and your in ?
You can explain Eleventh Hour’s playbook interpretation of the verses above, if you wish.
I am thankful that it has been granted to us by God to believe on His Son and live
If not granted by Him, who granted it?
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EleventhHour
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Are we excluding the work of the Spirit in the presentation of the Gospel? Acts 1:8.
18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Acts 5.31
He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins
All these verses are Saying is Both groups have been granted repentance. This is another Calvinist blunder which because of the T you need the I because of course no one can do anything good like Repenting or even believing, so of course we need some gnostic awakening for the frozen chosen . And not everone has been elected in a secret gnostic choosing Council in eternity past . Only those that God has bestowed these special gifts upon . The bible leaves no one that is unable . Granting repentance to both Jews and Gentlies . This leaves no one out .
Yep, Repentance unto life has been granted to us by God. Just what I said. The rest of your post is going on about things I never said.
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eternally-gratefull
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When you say granted, are you refering to the calvinist view that god only grants certain people. Or that through grace God grants all men the ability to recieve his grace Through faith
God grants all men.
If I have a dinner at my house, and if I invite all of you, then I have granted you permission to come to my house. I initiated the whole thing. So if God calls us to salvation, He gets all the credit, praise, and glory, and we give thanks to Him for His wonderful Grace.
They have been granted to come IF THEY WILL. Many are not willing. Do you agree?
Is the Holy Spirit necessary to preach the Gospel in such a way that folks will get saved?
They have been granted to come, IF THEY WILL. Why are some unwilling? That's an important question.
Why are some willing and others unwilling to come? You're not asking the right questions.
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eternally-gratefull
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Thanks bro, I figured this was the case, but wanted to make sure, we see @EleventhHour And @throughfaith just continues to assume things, they would be so much better off if they asked the question also, but no, they had to look through the eyes of “c” as eleven put it to again accuse you of calvinist beliefs,
I just have to laugh, they continue.
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eternally-gratefull
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The point is that it was to the Jews first. THEN Gentiles are granted entrance . Prior a person would have to become a proselyte
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