Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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Disagree with you there. You seem to have a deep-seated hatred for Calvin, and that is your deal. To say you don't believe anyone can arrive at certain conclusions from reading The Bible is just that....your beliefs. Please do not speak for me.
Have read The Bible, and that is what The Bible says. I believe it. You may as well say the writers were Calvinistic, because that is the impression you give me. Quit accusing folk of being Calvinistic because they believe what The Bible says. It is getting old, and has dominated this forum and many threads beating the same horse over, and over, and over, and over.....and you are not getting anywhere.
Oh, and by the way, had never heard of Calvinism until you came to this site....
Have read The Bible, and that is what The Bible says. I believe it. You may as well say the writers were Calvinistic, because that is the impression you give me. Quit accusing folk of being Calvinistic because they believe what The Bible says. It is getting old, and has dominated this forum and many threads beating the same horse over, and over, and over, and over.....and you are not getting anywhere.
Oh, and by the way, had never heard of Calvinism until you came to this site....
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Yep, you can’t divide or seperate the Trinity in their work. Jesus said “when the Omforter is come, He will reprove the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgement. Verses on the Father drawing are forthcoming.
Oh, and the Spirit and Bride say come. The Spirit calls and beckons to salvation through the church.
Oh, and the Spirit and Bride say come. The Spirit calls and beckons to salvation through the church.
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13 But we are [f]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through [g]sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory
word for word amen
word for word amen
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So you think that God elects a believer and predestined them to adoption, which you define as resurrection, and knows them as sons and daughters. He does all this with absolute foreknowledge, knowing that some He elected, foreknew, predestinated, adopted, would fall away and be lost?
Not to mention Romans 8 says whom He justified, He also glorified
I used to believe in possibility of losing salvation. My position now is that some who PROFESS faith will away, but those whom God foreknew, elected, predestined will not
Why would He, the God with exhaustive foreknowledge and Omniscience, predestinate someone to glorification who will spend eternity in hell,
Not to mention Romans 8 says whom He justified, He also glorified
I used to believe in possibility of losing salvation. My position now is that some who PROFESS faith will away, but those whom God foreknew, elected, predestined will not
Why would He, the God with exhaustive foreknowledge and Omniscience, predestinate someone to glorification who will spend eternity in hell,
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That's not drawing, I meant like the father draws . We have a couple of verse that says the Father draws ( before the cross ) . Which for a couple verse , it gets an awful lot of attention.
I notice you haven't quoted the whole verse . And could you explain its context also please ?
Eisegesis is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text.
I notice you haven't quoted the whole verse . And could you explain its context also please ?
Eisegesis is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text.
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The order is this .We are lost and without God before we believe.
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11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
This is our state before we believe . We are not secretly arbitrarily hand picked somehow in eterninty past in some Gnostic ' choosing 'council .
When we are born ,we are not the frozen chosen awaiting to be zapped awake to reveal that we were Gods chosen all a long . No the bible says we were lost and without hope.
After hearing and believing the Gospel . 1 cor 1.21 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
This happens : Eph 1
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
The Holy Spirit seals us until the redemption of the body. This is the PRE - DESTINATION for all those who are now in Christ .
Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
3. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
4. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
6. There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
7. Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
9. Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
10. When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
11. Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
12. Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
13. The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
14. The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)
15. What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)
16. Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
17. Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)
Eph 2
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
This is our state before we believe . We are not secretly arbitrarily hand picked somehow in eterninty past in some Gnostic ' choosing 'council .
When we are born ,we are not the frozen chosen awaiting to be zapped awake to reveal that we were Gods chosen all a long . No the bible says we were lost and without hope.
After hearing and believing the Gospel . 1 cor 1.21 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
This happens : Eph 1
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
The Holy Spirit seals us until the redemption of the body. This is the PRE - DESTINATION for all those who are now in Christ .
Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
3. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
4. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
6. There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
7. Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
9. Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
10. When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
11. Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
12. Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
13. The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
14. The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)
15. What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)
16. Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
17. Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)
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It's a biblical issue, that of (Doctrine)
God has foreknowledge, he predestinates, calls, justify's, and glorifys all believers.
As Romans 9:20-24 clearly teaches, God makes vessels of honor/saved and vessels of dishonor/unsaved
So easy a 1st grader can understand it
Romans 8:29-30KJV
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 9:20-24KJV
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
God has foreknowledge, he predestinates, calls, justify's, and glorifys all believers.
As Romans 9:20-24 clearly teaches, God makes vessels of honor/saved and vessels of dishonor/unsaved
So easy a 1st grader can understand it
Romans 8:29-30KJV
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 9:20-24KJV
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?