Are the words of Jesus not for Christians?

[Guojing]

sadly, well intentioned people provide a platform for you to spread your disbelief in the gospels, Acts, James and it would seem Peter also

when you cannot make headway because of people who stand firm in scripture, you attack them personally

the most disgruntled people in this thread have all had their personal interpretations shown to be wrong

actually, you can also add that the most disgruntled people in this FORUM will attack people with the intention to begin a personal fight and then they will report them. it has happened many times. thankfully, the mods see right through that

Firstly, I am attacking your behavior in this forum, I am not attacking you personally.

More importantly, all of us are sharing our bible doctrine here, what is truth from our perspective.

If you disagree and want to offer your perspective, I am fine, you share your differing doctrine, we share ours, and we all learn from one another.

When you claim that we "had their personal interpretations shown to be wrong", you are claiming from your point of view. In your point of view, our perspective is wrong, just like from our point of view, your perspective is wrong.

Is it that hard for you to understand that everyone is correct, from their own point of view?

 

[IlovelivingforJesus]

This is A great discussion. I believe that we will know what God wants us to know as individuals. Some things are not meant for us to know. Of course the whole bible is for Christians that is obvious. The bible says that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. No worries, God got this.

 

[garee]

something to consider in that last sentence, only I would hesitate with the use of the word faith

too bad this could not be further developed...but then it would take a discussion and not a debate

all the words of Jesus are not understood at all, nor for that matter, the Bible period

sigh

Yes the Bible the one source of Christ's faith that works in the Christian to both will and empower them to believe and do His good pleasure..

 

[garee]

Hello again sister (@lenna), in summary, if there are members here who are trying to discredit what Jesus said by telling us that the Gospels were written for Jews alone (or if they are going even further than that by saying that the Gospels, Acts and James were written for Jews, or even "1st Century" Jews, alone), then I believe that you already know how very wrong they are (perhaps they have a presupposition that they are trying to fulfill and/or prove correct, but doing so requires that they hold such a belief about the Gospels, Acts and James?). Have they given you/us any proof that shows what they are saying is true

BTW, the Epistle of James was addressed to the Diaspora (dispersed Jews living in the Gentile Nations), but I don't believe that there is any indication that what is taught in James' Epistle was meant for them alone If there is any evidence of this in his Epistle, I haven't seen it. Rather, what is taught in the Epistle of James seems both omnitemporal and omnicultural (IOW, its truths seem applicable to all nations, tribes and tongues throughout history).

God bless you!

~Deut

The Epistle of James was addressed to all who were given ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches or sects.

 

[lenna]

Firstly, I am attacking your behavior in this forum, I am not attacking you personally.

More importantly, all of us are sharing our bible doctrine here, what is truth from our perspective.

If you disagree and want to offer your perspective, I am fine, you share your differing doctrine, we share ours, and we all learn from one another.

When you claim that we "had their personal interpretations shown to be wrong", you are claiming from your point of view. In your point of view, our perspective is wrong, just like from our point of view, your perspective is wrong.

Is it that hard for you to understand that everyone is correct, from their own point of view?

LOL! my behavior is quoting scripture and refuting the ridiculous claims that you and several others display

you are not above calling people names, as you well know, so maybe check your own behavior

I am not expressing opinions. you can post however you wish within the TOS, but be sure you cannot tell others how to post or what to say

we both know why you posted this. that person argues with just about everyone, and takes views that most do not agree with, so you are not doing yourself any favors by hiding behind her

 

[lenna]

Is it that hard for you to understand that everyone is correct, from their own point of view?

the gospels, book of Acts, James and the Peter letters are not a point of view. smh

 

[Guojing]

the gospels, book of Acts, James and the Peter letters are not a point of view. smh

But whether they are written to Israel or to the body of Christ might be.

 

[lenna]

But whether they are written to Israel or to the body of Christ might be.

I am sorry you find no value in the gospels or the other books. do you have anything new to say? you seem to be on a loop

 

[Deuteronomy]

The Epistle of James was addressed to all who were given ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches or sects.

Hi Garee, I said, "the Epistle of James was addressed to the Diaspora (dispersed Jews living in the Gentile Nations), but I don't believe that there is any indication that what is taught in James' Epistle was meant for them alone."

Nevertheless, he did address his Epistle to the Diaspora, yes?

James 1
1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.​

God bless you!

~Deut

 

[John146]

Hi Garee, I said, "the Epistle of James was addressed to the Diaspora (dispersed Jews living in the Gentile Nations), but I don't believe that there is any indication that what is taught in James' Epistle was meant for them alone."

Nevertheless, he did address his Epistle to the Diaspora, yes?

James 1​

1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,​

To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.​

God bless you!

~Deut

James was written to this group? Really? Something doesn’t add up. It doesn’t sound like they are the same group.

Acts 8
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

vs

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.


2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

 

[Guojing]

I am sorry you find no value in the gospels or the other books. do you have anything new to say? you seem to be on a loop

They are written for us, but they are not to us nor about us.

Bethel church taught that they are written to us, and led to the event #wakeupolive

 

[lenna]

They are written for us, but they are not to us nor about us.

Bethel church taught that they are written to us, and led to the event #wakeupolive

what about Bethel church? why do you keep bringing it up? this is about the Bible

 

[garee]

Hi Garee, I said, "the Epistle of James was addressed to the Diaspora (dispersed Jews living in the Gentile Nations), but I don't believe that there is any indication that what is taught in James' Epistle was meant for them alone."

Nevertheless, he did address his Epistle to the Diaspora, yes?

James 1​

1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,​

To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.​

God bless you!

~Deut

I know it sounds picky but the inward Jew, born again of the Spirit of Christ. Renamed as Christian. Not in respect to outward Jew according to the flesh.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Guojing]

what about Bethel church? why do you keep bringing it up? this is about the Bible

You were the one who used John 11:25-26, and I gave that as an example why that passage is not written to us today.

We can learn from that passage of what Jesus did as a sign to Israel, but that passage is not for us to claim today.

 

[garee]

You were the one who used John 11:25-26, and I gave that as an example why that passage is not written to us today.

We can learn from that passage of what Jesus did as a sign to Israel, but that passage is not for us to claim today.

Which Israel the born again Israel, the bride of Christ whose name the Father not seen changed to Christian or a outward Jew according to the corrupted flesh of mankind?

 

[Absolutely]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God.

....so God preached a different gospel through Jesus,peter,and James?

 

[Absolutely]

yes, please, specifically where Jesus was going around preaching of His death for our sins, burial and resurrection before it occurred.

I already posted it.
It is unbelievably basic and your lack of basic teaching tells me you cut your teeth on that one dimensional pauline only mess

 

[John146]

....so God preached a different gospel through Jesus,peter,and James?

The gospel of the kingdom was only meant for the Jews. It was concerning the good news of their promised kingdom of Israel being restored with the promised Messiah ruling on the throne of David.

The gospel of the grace of God is what Paul preached.

 

[John146]

I already posted it.
It is unbelievably basic and your lack of basic teaching tells me you cut your teeth on that one dimensional pauline only mess

Yet, His disciples did not understand it.

So, what did Jesus command His disciples to preach in Matthew 10? Why was this message only for Israel? Why not Gentiles or Samaritans?

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

 

[Absolutely]

James was written to this group? Really? Something doesn’t add up. It doesn’t sound like they are the same group.

Acts 8
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

vs

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.


2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

You are trying to make a case that James was writing to the orthodox jews?
Non messianic jews?

And ignore the words "church","elders" ,and " laying on of hands"......not to mention "sins forgiven "

Jews had sins forgiven through the priesthood.
No laying on of hands for healing.
Not only that but the first church was entirely Jewish

You have no case