Calvinism and Context?

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jackrosie said:
I am waiting for an answer to my questions?

Why aren’t you answering my questions?

You accuse me of not being saved.....so I am accusing you....because you aren’t answering my questions.

That is one big RED FLAG if you don’t answer them.
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We're expressing discretion. No sense casting pearls before swine.
 
EleventhHour said:
Speak all you want, what you preach is not in the scripture... no one is saved apart from hearing the Gospel and exercising individual faith.
And no that faith is not supernatural there are no adjectives like that in front of the word in scripture.
Faith is faith ....and it is the object of our faith that saves >> Christ Jesus. ...and this glorifies God.
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I have asked you to answer my questions....why aren’t you answering them?

All are in scripture,
If you don’t answer as you should if you are born again..

That is one big RED FLAG and I question who you say you are?...
 
Bbrdrd said:
You expect me to give to a dog the children's bread?
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You are a false teacher and should not be aloud to spread the message as you do.

You shall know them by their fruit....

Your words are just that,words...no depth or life...I don’t believe you are alive in Christ..you don’t even know what it means.

Christ is alive in a believer...
 
cv5 said:
Yes, our worldly adoption principle is a good metaphor for election. I am glad you brought it up.

It is the parents to choose the baby, it is never the baby that chooses the parents.
A helpless baby who does not see cannot hear does not perceive cannot possibly make any choices on its behalf. And in both cases the parents are not compelled in any way to do anything at all.

Earthly parents may choose a baby for reasons other than mercy and pity, yes. But the Bible is clear that we were chosen ONLY because of mercy and pity (as was the nation Israel). Now that we understand our adoption we are to order our lives worthily, as good sons who love their Father and demonstrate it in their lives.

On a similar note, God loves the unsaved. There is no question about that. And the parables of Jesus amplify this principle. But let us understand that the TYPE of love of God extends to the unsaved is ONLY pity and mercy. On wretched vessels that have no worth whatsoever. Unfortunately for the unbeliever Gods love does have a limit and that limit is met eventually.

Contrarily, Gods love for His family members is on a different level. It is infinite, it is the love of a Father toward His sons, it will never end.
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Heb 12:6-8, For whom the Lord loveth, he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth hot? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all (every son whom he receiveth) are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

If there are those in this world that God does not chasten, then, we can conclude that God does not love all mankind.

Psalms 73:5, They are not in trouble as other men, neither are they PLAGUED (Greek=to punished) like other men.
 
EleventhHour said:
You raised a very interesting point and it is a red flag indeed that glaring errors go uncorrected by the Calvi camp.
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As are yours..a born again and yet you can’t answer my questions that are in scripture.

That is a very big RED FLAG.
 
EleventhHour said:
You raised a very interesting point and it is a red flag indeed that glaring errors go uncorrected by the Calvi camp.
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I always find it such a shame when I have to start wondering about people I thought I was simply having a theological disagreement with. But in their case such doctrine has usually hardened them to a point that they'll only realize when they shed innocent blood.
 
jackrosie said:
You are a false teacher and should not be aloud to spread the message as you do.

You shall know them by their fruit....

Your words are just that,words...no depth or life...I don’t believe you are alive in Christ..you don’t even know what it means.

Christ is alive in a believer...
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I must caution you jackrosie, God has warned us not to try to count who the elect are. David's punishment from God for numbering Israel (Lacob/Israel, God's elect) cost him the lives of thousands of Israelites. 1 Chronicles 21.
 
Bbrdrd said:
I always find it such a shame when I have to start wondering about people I thought I was simply having a theological disagreement with. But in their case such doctrine has usually hardened them to a point that they'll only realize when they shed innocent blood.
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You have been uncovered....
 
jackrosie said:
As are yours..a born again and yet you can’t answer my questions that are in scripture.

That is a very big RED FLAG.
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When Jesus calls us, He bids us come and die. He doesn't tell us how specially chosen we are and fill us with the feel-goods.
 
ForestGreenCook said:
I must caution you jackrosie, God has warned us not to try to count who the elect are. David's punishment from God for numbering Israel (Lacob/Israel, God's elect) cost him the lives of thousands of Israelites. 1 Chronicles 21.
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Ok,I take on board what you say.....but I am aloud to doubt who they are.

They have accused me of not being saved.....and accusing me of false dogma.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
When Jesus calls us, He bids us come and die. He doesn't tell us how specially chosen we are and fill us with the feel-goods.
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God,chooses,draws his children to Jesus,and saves...no one can come to the Son unless the Father draws them.
 
I had to get out the iggy saw and amputate some branches. I hated to do that. Hopefully I can graft these branches back in at a later date!
 
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Bbrdrd said:
When Jesus calls us, He bids us come and die. He doesn't tell us how specially chosen we are and fill us with the feel-goods.
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He brings our Spirit to life,he breathed life into our dead spirit,makes us alive in Christ,we come to life,our relationship begins,we are a new creation,he works in and through us.

And when I was saved....I felt very special,that God indwells my inner being and filled it to overflowing with His Love.
If that upsets you...”tough”my testimony.
 
cv5 said:
I just wish that these people would put out their doctrinal statement for everyone to read. Right now it's a moving target. A sane in gracious dialogue between us would be a wonderful thing!
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Amen!!
 
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