To understand.
I accept the whole word of God as full truth.
It's hard understanding the symbols in place for today. Dates and actions
The End, the A.C., Revelation and the rest of it.
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To understand.
I accept the whole word of God as full truth.
It's hard understanding the symbols in place for today. Dates and actions
I am not agree
What happen in 7 years tribulation
No body able to buy or sale without mark of the beast.
Who make that rule? God?
Devil angry/wrath than issue that rule, not god.
Hi Just_Jo!
How about the following proof:
"And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name."
Currently, people in Sweden are having RFID chips implanted in the skin between the thumb and the index finger, which they are using to make purchases (buying) by having their hands scanned. This technology will continue to evolve into a more applicable device as we drawn nearer to the time of God's wrath. But the fact is that, this technology is already here and will continue to spread in preparation for that coming antichrist. Check out the following secular videos regarding people in Sweden being chipped.
I put a chip in my hand to replace my wallet
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE
Why is microchipping so popular in Sweden
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...2743370E610BFFE708A4274&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Your ID, Keys and Wallet all in your hand
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...6AFDA7963B1DA61875CB6AF&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Regarding the scripture, we have the device going under the skin of the hand and it is being used to make purchases. So, we have to matches to the scripture. This technology will continue to evolve in preparation for that coming antichrist. And since this technology is already here, it just means that we are very, very close to the Lord's return to gather His church in fulfillment of His promise.
Hi Jackson!
No, I said God's wrath will be taking place during the entire seven years. The mark however, will not become mandatory until the middle of the seven years. So, the mark will be mandatory during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
The time period of God's wrath is the Day of the Lord. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues of the two witnesses make up God's wrath. Consequently, all that the beast and the false prophet perform are apart of God's wrath as well, for He also uses the powers of darkness to fulfill His will. Take for example, at the sounding of the fifth trumpet, an angel opens the Abyss and lets out those demonic beings that resemble locusts. These are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like that of a scorpion. The fact that this is the result of God's 5th trumpet demonstrates that this is God's doing. Sure Satan gets angry during that time, but is the time of God's wrath, not Satan's.
Regarding your mention of 'Satan's wrath' I've heard this countless times before. That entire seven years leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, will be filled with God's wrath, which will take place like a pregnant woman in labor.
I totally agree.
I understand the AC is probably already here and technology certainly is.
I can see signs everyday in life on this planet that we are overflowing with aggresis sins.
Nothing is of value anymore in personal lives,families,ect.ect.
Men and women are doing the abborhent even to changing their bodies.
I think my biggest problem is where are believers going to be.
I've heard pre,mid,and post arguements.
I appreciate anyone who understands end times prophecy.
Once we heard many preachers expound on this,now not so much.
I'm very sorry the whole world won't repent @ this time,but I do believe God's children will be spared HIS wrath which am not sure when it begins..
That's what I'm having trouble with in my understanding.
What part will we play,how far will AC be allowed to go against the saints.
Hi Ahwatukee,
I see above you believe his wrath starts at the beginning of 7 yrs and it's ALL God's wrath and the AC at the 3.5 yrs,correct?
So are you mid or post rapture. I believe the Lord drank the cup of God's wrath against believers.
So I guess I'm not sure where AC comes in and wars against believers.
I read a book a long time ago written by Ernest Angsley.( Now deceased) RAPTURE,RAPTURE
I was born again and filled with the Holy Ghost( as in acts) at the time but it was scary then.
It was geared as pre tribe and the AC started at beginning,lukewarm were left behind.
I guess btwn secular books and movies about the end times I'm not sure where to stand.
I see above you believe his wrath starts at the beginning of 7 yrs and it's ALL God's wrath and the AC at the 3.5 yrs,correct?
So are you mid or post rapture. I believe the Lord drank the cup of God's wrath against believers.
So I guess I'm not sure where AC comes in and wars against believers.
I read a book a long time ago written by Ernest Angsley.( Now deceased) RAPTURE,RAPTURE
I was born again and filled with the Holy Ghost( as in acts) at the time but it was scary then.
It was geared as pre tribe and the AC started at beginning,lukewarm were left behind.
I guess btwn secular books and movies about the end times I'm not sure where to stand.
Praise God for the understanding that He has already given you regarding this!
Something that I always share regarding the timing of the Lord's appearing to gather His church, is this underlying principle. Jesus took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. We have a scripture which says:
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
The scripture above states that the wrath of God remains on those who reject the Son, while at the same making clear that God's wrath no longer rests upon those who believe. We also have the following scriptures:
"Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! - Rom.5:9
"They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath." - I Thess.1:10
"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." - I Thess. 5:9
Right in the first verse of the book of Revelation, it states "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show His servants [what things] must take place in quickness."
Therefore, according to the very first verse, the book of Revelation is to show us (believers) the events that must take place. That said, chapters 6 through 18 and all related information, is describing the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will bring. The book of Revelation then for the most part, is a detailed description of God's coming wrath, which are the "what things that must take place in quickness."
All that said, and since Jesus has already satisfied God's wrath on behalf of every believer, then we cannot be on the earth to go through God's wrath. Only those who continue to reject the Son will be on the earth during that time.
There will be saints on the earth during that time, but not the church. In Rev.7:9-17, the reader is introduced to a great company of white-robed saints which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which makes them all Gentiles and which is in contrast to the 144,000 previously introduces from the twelve tribes of Israel. The elder asks John, "these in white robes, who are they and where did they come from?" John replies "Sir, you are the one who knows." This infers that John does not know who this group is. Then the elder says, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
These great tribulation saints, will be those who will have not been believers prior to the church being gathered, but who become believers after the church has been removed. If you will notice, the word "ekklesia" translated 'Church" is used 19 times throughout chapters 1 thru 3. Then, after the end of chapter 3, the word no longer appears, but is replaced with "hagios" translated as "Saints."
The reason for this is that, I believe Rev.4:1 is a prophetic allusion to where the church is caught up within the time frame of the book of Revelation and which is why we no longer see the word "church" after the end of chapter 3.
The bottom line is the underlying principle, a legal precedent--if you will--that since Jesus has already satisfied God's wrath on behalf of every believer, then by that legal precedent, believers cannot and will not go through God's wrath.
Regarding where God's wrath begins, it is with the opening of the first seal. For it is the Lamb who is found worthy to open the seals, which is followed by the trumpets and the bowl judgments, all making up the wrath of God. Just to give you an idea, with just the 4th seal and 6th trumpet, a fourth and a third respectively, over half the earths population is killed with in the first 3 1/2 years. And that is not including the fatalities from trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor from the bowl judgments. By the time the seventh bowl has been poured out, the majority of the earths population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled. This is supported by when Jesus said, "then there will be great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. And except those days were shortened no one would survive."
I would end with the fact that, after giving a detailed account of the resurrection and the living being changed and caught up in I Thessalonians 4:13-17, regarding the information regarding the living church, Paul says "Therefore, comfort each other with these words. In Titus 2:13 Paul mentions the appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ as the "blessed hope." Consequently, if the church was to go through God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, then it would not be a blessed hope, nor could we comfort each other of looking forward to being changed and caught up, if in fact believers were going to go through the same wrath as the wicked. In closing, below is a promise from the Lord regarding keeping us out of that time of wrath:
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you out of the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."
That "hour of trial" is referring to the time of God's wrath, which Jesus is saying that He will keep us (believers) out of that time period.
Hope this sheds some light on the subject
Hello again! The mark of the beast will be like that proverbial line being drawn in the sand. It will absolutely separate those who are for God and those who are not. At the time when the mark becomes the only valid means of being able to electronically credit and debit their bank account, which is buying and selling, it will force people to make a decision for God or against God. Everything that takes place, including the beasts kingdom, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements, the two witnesses, etc., all comes under God's wrath. God even uses the beast and the ten kings to destroy the woman who rides the beast by putting into their hearts to hate the woman. as revealed in Revelation 17:15
"And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute. They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to carry out [His purpose] by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled."
The majority of the book of Revelation describes God's time of wrath, not Satan's! Satan, the beast and the false prophet will all play their parts within the time of God's wrath. But it is God's wrath, not Satan's, which has been prophesied of old as 'The Day of the Lord."
The mark of the beast along with everything else is apart of God's time of wrath. To be clear, Satan is angry during the time of God's wrath. Because Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be performing those things, they like to call it 'Satan's wrath," which it is not. As I said, everything that takes place during that time is apart of the Day of the Lord, His time of wrath.
People like to call it Satan's wrath, because if it is not God's wrath, then they can put the church in that time period.
The mark if the beast is a mark that devil want you to take, you refused devil will punish you, not God command, God command not to take
So mark of the beast is devil wrath.
If that from God why God don't want you to take?
Why would God punish them/us by sending his wrath(MoTB) when they have not yet worshiped the image of the beast or received his mark? You seem to be saying Gods wrath is sent as punishment before anyone worships the image or takes it's mark when the Scriptures say his wrath is poured out on those after they worship the image and receive the mark(Rev.14:9-10) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 14&version=KJV
China will attack with a Corana/Covid sequel, probably. The USA will continue to be attacked by such and other unconventional warfare.
The USA is even being brought down from within. This [final?] chapter started with Corana/Covid. It may end with election 2020. Don't let them keep you from voting, USA. Pray for God's grace, help and mercy in Jesus Christ's returning name. Vote for God's will.
Fear and love God, worthy, wrathful Judge.
BTW and FYI, the all powerful name, blood and stripes of Jesus, Son of God, Christ can and will heal you of "Corona/Covid," case closed.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, we are the Kingdom of God, here and now. Live it!
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicks...84okWTPd4cWKNKUn1OA5uZsBJW9JaNW1qM4jT6tZVAoII
The USA is even being brought down from within. This [final?] chapter started with Corana/Covid. It may end with election 2020. Don't let them keep you from voting, USA. Pray for God's grace, help and mercy in Jesus Christ's returning name. Vote for God's will.
Fear and love God, worthy, wrathful Judge.
BTW and FYI, the all powerful name, blood and stripes of Jesus, Son of God, Christ can and will heal you of "Corona/Covid," case closed.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, we are the Kingdom of God, here and now. Live it!
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicks...84okWTPd4cWKNKUn1OA5uZsBJW9JaNW1qM4jT6tZVAoII
Much praise and appreciation for your study and understanding of end times @Ahwatukee .
Praises to God and peace to you!
Praises to God and peace to you!
That is correct. However, the mark will come about during the time period of God's wrath with the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments taking place at the same time. The mark of the beast is just an event which takes place during the time of God's wrath. Everything that takes place during that last seven years does so during the time of God's wrath. Just because Satan gets angry about what God is doing doesn't mean that time period is the time of Satan's wrath.
However, if you want to believe that time period is the time of Satan's wrath, you are free to do so. I'm just trying to get you to understand that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place during that entire seven years, including during the time of the beasts kingdom. So, everything that the Satan, the beast and the false prophet do are within the time period of God's wrath. As I said, God will be using Satan and the powers of darkness to fulfill His will during the time of His wrath. To be clear, all that the Satan, the beast and the false prophet are just events that will take place during the time of God's wrath. Though the mark is of Satan, it will be fulfilling God's purpose by separating those who fear God and those who don't during that time.
Hi iamsoanso!
Yes, after the church is gathered the door will be shut and God's wrath will begin, even before the mark of the beast becomes mandatory. To be clear, most of the seals and trumpet judgments will take place during the first 3 1/2 years. The Day of the Lord is not specifically to punish because of the mark, but to punish all who will have continued rejecting His Son and willfully continuing to live according to the sinful nature, those who will not repent of the works of their hands. Who will not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk. And who will not repent of their murder, sorcery, sexual immorality, and theft. The mark is just an event which will take place starting from around the middle of that seven years.
So to be clear, the time of God's wrath is not taking place specifically because of the mark, but is a time that has been prophesied of by the prophets of old and the apostles referred to as 'The Day of the Lord" and that because of sin. Below is God's purpose regarding the time of His wrath:
"I will completely sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.
“I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, and the idols with their wicked worshipers.
I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth, - Zepaniah 1:2-3
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Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming—cruel, with fury and burning anger—to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it.
For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light.
The rising sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light.
I will punish the world for its evil and the wicked for their iniquity.
I will end the haughtiness of the arrogant and lay low the pride of the ruthless.
I will make man scarcer than pure gold, and mankind rarer than the gold of Ophir. - Isaiah 13:9-12
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Both scriptures above in Zephaniah and Isaiah and many others, are referring to 'the Day of the Lord.' The majority of the book of Revelation is a detailed account of the events which take place during the Day of the Lord, which is the time of God's wrath, when God will be sweeping everything from the face of the earth. The scripture above in Isaiah is the same prophecy found in Matthew 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."
This event of the sun and moon being darkened is a sign which takes place just as the Lord is returning to the earth to end the age.
So in conclusion, the time of God's wrath is not just to punish those who will be worshiping the beast, his image and receiving his mark, but will be the fulfillment of prophecy to destroy the people for all of their sins and who would not believe and repent. The mark of the beast is just one event which will take place during the time of God's wrath.
Maybe I'm not asking clear enough,,,in your last paragraph your saying "those who will be worshiping the beast,his image and receiving his mark..." so your thinking that God is going to send his wrath(punishment) before they actually commit the sin of worshiping the image and receive the mark?