Why I believe the Great Tribulation started in 70 A.D.

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Truth7t7

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I would offer. The tribulation for the unbelieving faithless Jews began when Jesus said. . "it is finished" the veil representing the foreskin of the first born, our bloody husband Christ. The sign of circummsion, was rent . The time of reformation had come. Kings in Israel. . the abomination of desolation was made to no effect. .

It points to the time when Satan could no longer deceive all the nations that a Jewish man was sitting in the holy, of holies . The veil being rent from the top to the bottom exposed the lie.

There was no Wizard of Oz connected to the mighty voice. Just the unseen presence of faith calling men to Kansas. (Zion)

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations (all of the nations) no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Jesus Christ representing the foreskin of the penis, our bloody husband, blasphemy!

Mormon doctrine, calling men to (Kansas/Zion)
 

Truth7t7

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There was no Wizard of Oz connected to the mighty voice. Just the unseen presence of faith calling men to Kansas. (Zion)
You follow the teachings of Mormonism's Joseph Smith, Kansas/Zion

Why not be upfront with your false teachings and belief's.

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Mormon History And Theology: Missouri Is Land Of Zion And Location Of Second Coming

9/22/2012

Today, few places are better to contemplate the evolving — but still uncertain — relationship between Mormonism and the country where it was founded.

On the one hand, Missouri symbolizes how far Mormons have come. At least 66,000 Mormons now live in the state, more than triple the number of just three decades ago. Most recently, the LDS church has built a temple in Kansas City, Mo., near the epicenter of the Mormon War.

But Missouri also serves to highlight the intractable differences between mainstream Christianity and Mormon theology.

Independence and other nearby sites in western Missouri — including a pasture 70 miles north that Smith tied to the Garden of Eden — serve to emphasize distinctive Mormon beliefs. Those differences are amplified by Mormon scriptures, doctrines and the abandoned practice of polygamy.

A year after completing the Book of Mormon, Smith said God had told him a “New Jerusalem, a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints” would be built in Jackson County, Mo.
 
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You follow the teachings of Mormonism's Joseph Smith, Kansas/Zion

Why not be upfront with your false teachings and belief's.

HuffPost

Mormon History And Theology: Missouri Is Land Of Zion And Location Of Second Coming

9/22/2012

Today, few places are better to contemplate the evolving — but still uncertain — relationship between Mormonism and the country where it was founded.

On the one hand, Missouri symbolizes how far Mormons have come. At least 66,000 Mormons now live in the state, more than triple the number of just three decades ago. Most recently, the LDS church has built a temple in Kansas City, Mo., near the epicenter of the Mormon War.

But Missouri also serves to highlight the intractable differences between mainstream Christianity and Mormon theology.

Independence and other nearby sites in western Missouri — including a pasture 70 miles north that Smith tied to the Garden of Eden — serve to emphasize distinctive Mormon beliefs. Those differences are amplified by Mormon scriptures, doctrines and the abandoned practice of polygamy.

A year after completing the Book of Mormon, Smith said God had told him a “New Jerusalem, a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints” would be built in Jackson County, Mo.
Sorry, I was playing on fictional the Wizard of Oz. Kansas Dorothy home town . Powerful voice but when the curtain was drawn no Jew siting there .God is not a man. Satan could no longer deceive all the nations ( Revelation 20: 4)

They have another authroity called the book of Mormon .No man can serve two written teaching authorities as one law .
 
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Jesus Christ representing the foreskin of the penis, our bloody husband, blasphemy!

Mormon doctrine, calling men to (Kansas/Zion)
Yes the renting of the vail to fulfilling of the ceremonial law of circummsion .Having to do with the first born Jesus our sufferings bloody husband

It can be viewed in a parable similar to that of Abraham and Issacs , like all ceremonial laws they pointed ahead to our suffering husband Christ. .we look back the that reformation they looked ahead by faith generated through the parable.

Emphasizing a bloody husband twice.

Exodus 4:22-26 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn. And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

What do you think the sign represented if not Jesus the first born?
 

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if it started in ad 70 why has it lasted this long and when was 2 thessalonians 2:8 fulfilled? shouldnt Jesus have returned already?
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
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This has not yet been fulfilled because the world (and also most brothers in Christ) do not realize that the lawless one spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Roman Papacy. ;)
 

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This has not yet been fulfilled because the world (and also most brothers in Christ) do not realize that the lawless one spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Roman Papacy.
Not the Roman Papacy as some would have you believe. The Roman Papacy has never controlled the whole world, but this man will literally rule the world for 3 1/2 years. See Revelation 13.

Since he is called (1) the MAN of Sin and (2) the SON of Perdition, it should be crystal clear that this is an evil man, energized and controlled by Satan, who will literally sit in a future temple in Jerusalem and claim that he is God. This is the Antichrist, also called, the Beast, the Little Horn, and the Prince That Shall Come (along with many other names and titles). He is a renegade Jew, and a blasphemer unlike any blasphemer.
 

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Not the Roman Papacy as some would have you believe. The Roman Papacy has never controlled the whole world, but this man will literally rule the world for 3 1/2 years. See Revelation 13.

Since he is called (1) the MAN of Sin and (2) the SON of Perdition, it should be crystal clear that this is an evil man, energized and controlled by Satan, who will literally sit in a future temple in Jerusalem and claim that he is God. This is the Antichrist, also called, the Beast, the Little Horn, and the Prince That Shall Come (along with many other names and titles). He is a renegade Jew, and a blasphemer unlike any blasphemer.
yup! not revealed yet to you.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
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This has not yet been fulfilled because the world (and also most brothers in Christ) do not realize that the lawless one spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Roman Papacy. ;)
The future (Lawless One) will be a Jew, the Papacy don't fit the bill.

The true Hebrew God

(The God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
 

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The future (Lawless One) will be a Jew, the Papacy don't fit the bill.

The true Hebrew God

(The God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Actually it does. The Catholic Church claims the Roman Pontiff to be the successor of Peter, a Jew. There is something called The Chair of St. Peter or the Throne of St. Peter that resides in St. Peters Basilica. This is also referred to as the Temple of the Vatican.

The Chair of St. Peter has remarkable similarities to 2 Chronicles 5. They are claiming that St. Peters Basilica is the temple of God. The Chair of St. Peter is made to be the Ark of the Covenant, which contained God's Law. the Chair of St. Peter contains lawlessness, the man of lawlessness more specifically.
 

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Guess again.

The Holy Roman Empire "ruled the world" for exactly 1260 years - from 538 to 1798.
Holy Roman Empire began in 800, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne Emperor of the Romans, reviving the title in Western Europe after more than three centuries, thus creating the Carolingian Empire, whose territory came to be known as the Holy Roman Empire.
 

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Actually it does. The Catholic Church claims the Roman Pontiff to be the successor of Peter, a Jew. There is something called The Chair of St. Peter or the Throne of St. Peter that resides in St. Peters Basilica. This is also referred to as the Temple of the Vatican.

The Chair of St. Peter has remarkable similarities to 2 Chronicles 5. They are claiming that St. Peters Basilica is the temple of God. The Chair of St. Peter is made to be the Ark of the Covenant, which contained God's Law. the Chair of St. Peter contains lawlessness, the man of lawlessness more specifically.
The Catholic Church Claims?

Are you going to build your biblical interpretations on what Catholicism claims?

Big Smiles :giggle:
 

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Holy Roman Empire began in 800, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne Emperor of the Romans, reviving the title in Western Europe after more than three centuries, thus creating the Carolingian Empire, whose territory came to be known as the Holy Roman Empire.
The Unholy Roman Empire Began In 319AD with Pagan Emperor Constantine The Great, he donated the land and built St Peters Basilica what is now Vatican City, Headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church.
 

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Guess again.

The Holy Roman Empire "ruled the world" for exactly 1260 years - from 538 to 1798.
the first and second beast of revelation is about persecution from Church and State.

Church and State officially began in Roman Empire in 380 AD with the Edict of Thessalonica

The Edict of Thessalonica (also known as Cunctos populos), issued on 27 February AD 380 by three reigning Roman Emperors, made Nicene Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire.[1] It condemned ancient pluralistic spiritual tradition along with other Christian creeds such as Arianism as heresies of madmen, and authorized their persecution.

Separation of Church and State was not officially acheived until the colonization of Rhode Island.

In 1636, Roger Williams settled on land granted to him by the Narragansett tribe at the tip of Narragansett Bay after being banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for his religious views. He called the site "Providence Plantations" and declared it a place of religious freedom.



380AD to 1640 is ~1260 years.
 

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the first and second beast of revelation is about persecution from Church and State.

Church and State officially began in Roman Empire in 380 AD with the Edict of Thessalonica

The Edict of Thessalonica (also known as Cunctos populos), issued on 27 February AD 380 by three reigning Roman Emperors, made Nicene Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire.[1] It condemned ancient pluralistic spiritual tradition along with other Christian creeds such as Arianism as heresies of madmen, and authorized their persecution.

Separation of Church and State was not officially acheived until the colonization of Rhode Island.

In 1636, Roger Williams settled on land granted to him by the Narragansett tribe at the tip of Narragansett Bay after being banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for his religious views. He called the site "Providence Plantations" and declared it a place of religious freedom.



380AD to 1640 is ~1260 years.
Church/State began with Roman Emperor Constatine, he donated the land and built St. Peters Basilica 319-330AD

Constatine called the first council of Nicea in 325AD, roughly 1800 bishops in the empire were invited, all expenses paid by Constatine, only 318 showed up.

The wicked Eusebius, the high priest of Constatine called judgement upon his religious Dissenters, mainly those that opposed his (Arian) beliefs and Constatine carried out the punishment, thus the Church State.
 

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The Catholic Church Claims?

Are you going to build your biblical interpretations on what Catholicism claims?

Big Smiles :giggle:
Yes, and the Catholic Church claims the pope to be Holy Father, Supreme Judge, the .... and thereby God.

The Pope also claims to be the gate keeper. He is claiming to be Jesus.

The last door on the right is the "Holy Door". This door is bricked up on the inside. On the first day of the Holy Year the Pope strikes the brick wall with a hammer, and so opens the door to let in the pilgrims who come to make the most of the indulgence. It will be closed by the Pope himself at the end of the Holy Year. The Holy Door represents Jesus, the Good Shepherd and the gate of the sheep pen: "I am the gate. Whoever enters through me, will be safe. He will go in and out, and find pasture"
 

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Yes, and the Catholic Church claims the pope to be Holy Father, Supreme Judge, the .... and thereby God.

The Pope also claims to be the gate keeper. He is claiming to be Jesus.

The last door on the right is the "Holy Door". This door is bricked up on the inside. On the first day of the Holy Year the Pope strikes the brick wall with a hammer, and so opens the door to let in the pilgrims who come to make the most of the indulgence. It will be closed by the Pope himself at the end of the Holy Year. The Holy Door represents Jesus, the Good Shepherd and the gate of the sheep pen: "I am the gate. Whoever enters through me, will be safe. He will go in and out, and find pasture"
You used a Catholic claim (Peter) a Jew was a founder of Catholicism.

You translated this false claim into a foundation for your Theology in who the future Antichrist will be.

Your post above has no rebuttal to your claims made.
 

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Church/State began with Roman Emperor Constatine, he donated the land and built St. Peters Basilica 319-330AD

Constatine called the first council of Nicea in 325AD, roughly 1800 bishops in the empire were invited, all expenses paid by Constatine, only 318 showed up.

The wicked Eusebius, the high priest of Constatine called judgement upon his religious Dissenters, mainly those that opposed his (Arian) beliefs and Constatine carried out the punishment, thus the Church State.
Constantius' successor Julian (later called "The Apostate") was the only emperor after the conversion of Constantine to reject Christianity, attempting to fragment the Church and erode its influence by encouraging a revival of religious diversity, calling himself a "Hellene" and supporting forms of Hellenistic religion. He championed the traditional religious cultus of Rome as well as Judaism, and furthermore declared toleration for all the various unorthodox Christian sects and schismatic movements.

The Edict of Thessalonica was issued under the influence of Ascholius, and thus of Pope Damasus I, who had appointed him. It re-affirmed a single expression of the Apostolic Faith as legitimate in the Roman Empire, "catholic" (that is, universal)[5][6] and "orthodox" (that is, correct in teaching).[7]

After the edict, Theodosius spent a great deal of energy trying to suppress all non-Nicene forms of Christianity, especially Arianism, and in establishing Nicene orthodoxy throughout his realm.[8]

The edict was followed in 381 by the First Council of Constantinople, which affirmed the Nicene Symbolum and gave final form to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.[9]
 

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You used a Catholic claim (Peter) a Jew was a founder of Catholicism.

You translated this false claim into a foundation for your Theology in who the future Antichrist will be.

Your post above has no rebuttal to your claims made.
I am not predicting a future antichrist like you are. I am saying the antichrist is here and now. He has been been here for a long time already. The evidence is overwhelming. You reject the current fulfillment of scripture for future speculations.

Where is you evidence? You have none.