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Where is that in Scripture? Jesus came as a visible baby who grew in Mary's womb, was born in Bethlehem, grew up in Egypt and Nazareth, and was revealed as the Son of God by the miracles He performed. He died on a Roman cross, was buried, and rose again to life. Which part of that was invisible?
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Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
Beware of Antichrist Deceivers For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
What am I to say to you garee
Beware of Antichrist Deceivers For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
What am I to say to you garee
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Jesus is the first fruits....this is our hope . That we shall be raised with the mind of Christ and also the body of Christ .
Jesus was perfect right down to his flesh and bone. That is the reason he bares the scares of the cross. His body now immortal. There is a man that sits on the throne the man Christ Jesus. Thomas handled him yet he passed through walls. He walked with his believers yet he ascended into heaven. He ate breakfast with his deciples yet appeared out of nowhere. Our flesh has to die we are corrupt....we are to be raised uncorrupted. A new body.
We are now to walk in the spirit and in truth untill the time comes when our flesh shall surly die or be transformed at the last day.
Garee didn't you get the memo??
Jesus was perfect right down to his flesh and bone. That is the reason he bares the scares of the cross. His body now immortal. There is a man that sits on the throne the man Christ Jesus. Thomas handled him yet he passed through walls. He walked with his believers yet he ascended into heaven. He ate breakfast with his deciples yet appeared out of nowhere. Our flesh has to die we are corrupt....we are to be raised uncorrupted. A new body.
We are now to walk in the spirit and in truth untill the time comes when our flesh shall surly die or be transformed at the last day.
Garee didn't you get the memo??
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Blasphemy is to attribute the work of one to another. It is likened to plagiarism. You shalt not surely die .The fall . or in Mathew 16. . Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Was Jesus an apostle as the Son of man?
Was blasphemy committed against Jesus the Son of man and it was forgiven? Is blasphemy against eternal God not seen forgivable.?
It would seem you are not following and coming to a conclusion of the matter.
Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Was Jesus an apostle as the Son of man?
Was blasphemy committed against Jesus the Son of man and it was forgiven? Is blasphemy against eternal God not seen forgivable.?
It would seem you are not following and coming to a conclusion of the matter.
Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
No I did not.
Not a salvation issue....I would offer more .How can we hear God and not men ?
I would ask? Did Jesus' corrupted flesh he inherited from his mother die ? Seeing corrupted flesh and blood cannot enter heaven .
If not where is this flesh and blood? Surely not as in Catholicism's transubstantiation doctrine .Its not more corrupted flesh and blood that is needed .What is needed is a new spirit that will not die.
Jesus can no more walk through a wall than You or I. It does not say he walked through a door or a wall. They did not recognize him until he spoke the words; "peace be with you" And then showed him the wounds. They in doubt still wondered .And he told them plainly a spirit does not have flesh and bones. God is Spirit.
The one time promised demonstration required a temporal body that aged showing corruption. . . ..... dying. A theophany as a vision (no flesh and blood ) like that of Melchedik would not supply the need for the one time demonstration .propmised in the Old testament. Flesh signified as sinful was required to do what the letter of the law ( thou shall die) could not do .Walk by faith the unseen law .
Note . . .(Life)
Note. . (Death) seen
Note . . . (Spirit) not seen
Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Adding flesh did not make God who he is. The trinity . (1) God is Spirit. (2) God is Light. (3)God is love.
They are not attributes but the very essence or cloud of his of his invisible presence that works in His children of light, Christians to both will and do His good pleasure.. It does not add to His glory .It takes away from it making it (faith) desolate .In that was no man can serve two teaching masters .The things of men seen and those working of God that worked in the Son of man, not seen . . the Father. In that way we are commanded to call no man on earth teacher Master or Father .The father is accredited as the teaching masters .Jesus replied when faithless men as disciples murmured .they walked away in unbelief.
Desiring to walk after what the eyes see the temporal the pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind. No God working in their hearts.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
All one work of one faith or called a labor of Love. (God is Love)The father the Just. and Son the justifier. . .working in perfect harmony and mutual submissiveness
Psalm 143 King James Version (KJV) And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.
Jesus was justified by the father who strengthened or empowered Jesus three times to finish the work of salvation. The demonstration is over we walk by faith, the unseen eternal.
That's not offering more; rather, it's changing the subject.
Corrupted flesh didn't enter heaven; glorified flesh did.
What Catholicism teaches is doubly irrelevant.
The doors were locked. Jesus was not in the room, and then He was. How do you propose that He got in there?
Who took on flesh.
Nobody is claiming that. You are arguing against wind.
Why must you make up your own definitions? Ask any Christian, and they will tell you that "the trinity" is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Because you don't agree with that, you need to find a different word.
Corrupted flesh didn't enter heaven; glorified flesh did.
What Catholicism teaches is doubly irrelevant.
The doors were locked. Jesus was not in the room, and then He was. How do you propose that He got in there?
Who took on flesh.
Nobody is claiming that. You are arguing against wind.
Why must you make up your own definitions? Ask any Christian, and they will tell you that "the trinity" is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Because you don't agree with that, you need to find a different word.
You used the term, the Bible should be interpreted from a (Historical) perspective
This is the (Preterist) position in 70AD fulfillment of the events below.
1.) Do you believe the Abomination Of Desolation seen in Matthew 24:15 below has been fulfilled?
2.) Do you believe the (Great Tribulation) seen below Matthew 24:21 has been fulfilled?
Matthew 24:15-21KJB
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
This is the (Preterist) position in 70AD fulfillment of the events below.
1.) Do you believe the Abomination Of Desolation seen in Matthew 24:15 below has been fulfilled?
2.) Do you believe the (Great Tribulation) seen below Matthew 24:21 has been fulfilled?
Matthew 24:15-21KJB
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
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What was this glorified body made of seeing flesh and blood the corrupted rudiments cannot enter heaven ? Are you under the impression that we know Christ after the rudiments of this world ? The philosophers do?
You seem to be leaning on that kind of spirit of understanding ?. . walking after the literal temporal things seen not mixing faith It defines those who have another source of faith (dead) other that as it is written in the law and prophets the living abiding faith . They glory in the corrupted flesh . No need to mix faith the eternal to them .Just look to the literal temporal.
Like abracadabra?
They were not looking for a resurrected man; they were looking for a dead man. Just like the women at the tomb that did not a first recognize.
They did not think it possible someone standing behind them could be Jesus. They simply did not recognize him until he heard his voice “Peace be with you,” Voice recognition then supported with the eyes see. Two ingates into the soul .The deaf hear the blind see. Faith comes by hearing the understanding of our father.
Who took on flesh.
I think you meant whose work of faith working in the corrupted flesh seeing is was not of his own self as a apostle sent with words of the father .
The Son of man as an apostle lived in a earthen body of death >He was given words from the father .unseen. Salvation is the work of two working as one
So then you agree the flesh profits for nothing zero? The unseen Spirit provides all the power needed?
I agree with that ? But remember two kinds of witness of three one powerful the other powerless .
I chose the unseen witness the witness of God. The unseen witness of faith .
The the witness of man seen, the temporal is the pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind. Its the same foundation that looked to make Jesus a circus seal. Do a trick work a miracle the we will believe. Who needs faith as it is written ?
Do you? I do.
1 John 5:7-9 King James Version (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: ( NOT SEEN) and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: (SEEN) and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. ( Of God not of mankind. Son of man )
Which one witness will you serve seeing no man can serve two "teaching masters" . (1) The corrupted flesh or the (2) incorruptible Spirit God ?
You seem to be leaning on that kind of spirit of understanding ?. . walking after the literal temporal things seen not mixing faith It defines those who have another source of faith (dead) other that as it is written in the law and prophets the living abiding faith . They glory in the corrupted flesh . No need to mix faith the eternal to them .Just look to the literal temporal.
Like abracadabra?
They were not looking for a resurrected man; they were looking for a dead man. Just like the women at the tomb that did not a first recognize.
They did not think it possible someone standing behind them could be Jesus. They simply did not recognize him until he heard his voice “Peace be with you,” Voice recognition then supported with the eyes see. Two ingates into the soul .The deaf hear the blind see. Faith comes by hearing the understanding of our father.
Who took on flesh.
I think you meant whose work of faith working in the corrupted flesh seeing is was not of his own self as a apostle sent with words of the father .
The Son of man as an apostle lived in a earthen body of death >He was given words from the father .unseen. Salvation is the work of two working as one
So then you agree the flesh profits for nothing zero? The unseen Spirit provides all the power needed?
I agree with that ? But remember two kinds of witness of three one powerful the other powerless .
I chose the unseen witness the witness of God. The unseen witness of faith .
The the witness of man seen, the temporal is the pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind. Its the same foundation that looked to make Jesus a circus seal. Do a trick work a miracle the we will believe. Who needs faith as it is written ?
Do you? I do.
1 John 5:7-9 King James Version (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: ( NOT SEEN) and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: (SEEN) and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. ( Of God not of mankind. Son of man )
Which one witness will you serve seeing no man can serve two "teaching masters" . (1) The corrupted flesh or the (2) incorruptible Spirit God ?
Is that a yes or no.?
Was he sent or did he come by the will of his own flesh ?
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;