Eschatology differences & how people get treated

[garee]

Do you believe the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 has been fulfilled or is this a future event?

Do you believe in a future literal human Man as the (Man of Sin/Antichrist)?

I think it is being fulfilled One like never before or ever again.

The man of sin is mankind under the influence of the god of this world (Satan) . Cain the first he slew his brother the first martyr. Peter another example who fell in false pride forbidding the work of the gospel .He was used as a demonstration of one who apposed the work of Christ our Lord .working in the Son of man Jesus the apostle. He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man Jesus, the prophet and apostle .

Blasphemy after he left disappeared out of sight is not forgivable.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks I can try.

The bible does not use the phrase the second coming of the Son of man ,Jesus, that seen the temporal .It does inform us Christ not seen will by faith appear to second time on the last day and we will receive the promise our new incorruptible bodies

In respect to the Son of man, Jesus' corrupted flesh and blood . He informs us he will not literally return. (2Corinthians 5:16)

God is not a man . It was a one time demonstration of the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world .Not an after thought.

Christs is reigning in the hearts of mankind a kingdom of priests as Ambassadors of Christ who works in them. . sent from a foreign land not of this world. There citizenship is not of this world system . They will be reigning with him until the last day .Then he will depart from this creation under the Sun .

I believe our new born again souls will be awakened on the last day and given a new incorruptible body .It will be neither male not female Jew nor gentile . it will not be made up of the rudiments or element's of this corrupted creation. "flesh and blood".

I can safely say, you don't believe in a future literal return of Jesus Christ in the heavens, you explained your position.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think it is being fulfilled One like never before or ever again.

The man of sin is mankind under the influence of the god of this world (Satan) . Cain the first he slew his brother the first martyr. Peter another example who fell in false pride forbidding the work of the gospel .He was used as a demonstration of one who apposed the work of Christ our Lord .working in the Son of man Jesus the apostle. He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man Jesus, the prophet and apostle .

Blasphemy after he left disappeared out of sight is not forgivable.

You don't believe in a (Literal) future return of Jesus Christ in the heavens.

You don't believe in a (Literal) future human (Man Of Sin/ Antichrist)

You believe the tribulation identified in Matthew 24:21 is ongoing, and isn't confined to 1,260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years.

In your denial of a literal future second coming, this would find you (Outside) of Christian and Biblical orthodoxy, and all of the confessions of faith, Nicene, Apostolic, etc

Views that are considered by many to be Heretical Doctrines

 

[garee]

You don't believe in a (Literal) future return of Jesus Christ in the heavens.

You don't believe in a (Literal) future human (Man Of Sin/ Antichrist)

You believe the tribulation identified in Matthew 24:21 is ongoing

In your denial of a literal future second coming, would find you (Outside) of Christian and Biblical orthodoxy, and all of the confessions of faith, Nicene, Apostolic, etc

Views that are considered by many to be Heretical Doctrines

By who?

I dont believe in a literal return of a literal earthen body of sin . One demonstration was all that was offered (2 Corinthians 5:16 )

Yes the tribulation it began when Satan was cast into a pit (Revelation 20 ) not being able to deceive all the nations .The abomination of desolation was put to rest (kings in Israel ) the pagan foundation.

I am not seeking the approval creeds. We are warned of those who say we do need a man to teach us. Apostolic is a word the Catholicism has coined . They redefine the word sent one (apostle) . And try and make it into a legion of venerable, worship able ones

What do you say?

 

[garee]

I can safely say, you don't believe in a future literal return of Jesus Christ in the heavens, you explained your position.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

God is not a man

I believe Jesus the Christ our Lord has no flesh .The Son of man. Jesus who lived in a earthen corrupted body is gone never to return

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Its the pooer that worked in the Son of man, Jesus the prophet apostle.

Needing something, an image to look at before one believes or exercises faith. Only show the Pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind. Cain plowed under Abel the first martyr of the church .

 

[Dino246]

Apostolic is a word the Catholicism has coined . They redefine the word sent one (apostle) . And try and make it into a legion of venerable, worship able ones

The word "apostolic" simply means "in relation to apostles". Only in specific contexts does its meaning gain additional nuances.

 

[Truth7t7]

By who?

I dont believe in a literal return of a literal earthen body of sin . One demonstration was all that was offered (2 Corinthians 5:16 )

Yes the tribulation it began when Satan was cast into a pit (Revelation 20 ) not being able to deceive all the nations .The abomination of desolation was put to rest (kings in Israel ) the pagan foundation.

I am not seeking the approval creeds. We are warned of those who say we do need a man to teach us. Apostolic is a word the Catholicism has coined . They redefine the word sent one (apostle) . And try and make it into a legion of venerable, worship able ones

What do you say?

I appreciate your response, I disagree with your doctrines and eschatology.

1) Jesus Christ will return with the same body he left in, one that bears his earthly scars, tangible bone/flesh, that ate earthly food, that walked through closed doors, and is eternal.

2) The Antichrist/Man Of Sin will be a future literal human Man, that will proclaim to be God/Messiah on earth in Jerusalem.

3) The 3.5 year tribulation is a future event, and will be started at the revealing of this future Antichrist/Man Of Sin in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God/Messiah, who will cause the great tribulation.

 

[pottersclay]

Here is the truth in eschatology.
Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead.
We are guaranteed that by angels upon his Ascension. In a physical form...from above...on the mount of olives.

Pre-trib...post-trib...mid -trib makes no difference. The question is are you ready? Are you found in Christ Jesus.
We should all take time to examine ourselves. Biblical knowledge does not open the gates of heaven. Being good enough does not bring us into the kingdom.
Works nor bloodline does not give us a free pass.
Salvation is in Christ Jesus alone. He alone saves.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I believe that nobody can indisputably prove what exactly will happen in the future...

I don't believe that God's word can be used as a crystal ball.
I believe that biblical prophesy can only be understood and interpreted correctly after it has been fulfilled and matched to another witness such as the historical record. In this way it shows the glory of God.

 

[iamsoandso]

As if we prophesy in part https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 13:9-12&version=KJV and instead of looking at those parts together we divide into camps and call each one another by those names.

 

[iamsoandso]

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/13.htm Love?

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't believe that God's word can be used as a crystal ball.
I believe that biblical prophesy can only be understood and interpreted correctly after it has been fulfilled and matched to another witness such as the historical record. In this way it shows the glory of God.

Sounds like another (Preterist) speaking.

Matthew Chapter 24: The Antichrist of Daniel, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens Are (Future) Events Unfulfilled.

 

[iamsoandso]

God is not a man

I believe Jesus the Christ our Lord has no flesh .The Son of man. Jesus who lived in a earthen corrupted body is gone never to return

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Its the pooer that worked in the Son of man, Jesus the prophet apostle.

Needing something, an image to look at before one believes or exercises faith. Only show the Pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind. Cain plowed under Abel the first martyr of the church .

Man is created by God in the image of God https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-1-27/

 

[pottersclay]

God is not a man

I believe Jesus the Christ our Lord has no flesh .The Son of man. Jesus who lived in a earthen corrupted body is gone never to return

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Its the pooer that worked in the Son of man, Jesus the prophet apostle.

Needing something, an image to look at before one believes or exercises faith. Only show the Pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind. Cain plowed under Abel the first martyr of the church .

Then it's safe to say you don't believe in the Resurrection. The very foundation of christianity.

 

[Truth7t7]

Then it's safe to say you don't believe in the Resurrection. The very foundation of christianity.

He openly denies Jesus Christ had a tangible body of flesh and bone.

Yes it appears the individual denies a future bodily resurrection of the believers (A Foundation Of Christian Belief), perhaps a strong reason why I never received a reply to the question when asked

Jesus Christ maintains the very same body of flesh and bone that he left earth with.

Zechariah 13:4-6KJV
4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

 

[garee]

Then it's safe to say you don't believe in the Resurrection. The very foundation of christianity.

I would say that is unsafe. I believe in the ressurection according the the Spirit of holiness , the unseen power of God. that worked in the Son of man, Jesus the apostle. (sent one) And not in respect to the corrupted flesh of the Son of man that he inherited from his mother. .Jesus did not do the will of the flesh but as us the power of Holy Spirit worked in the Son of man to both will and do his good pleasure.

God is not an man .No such thing as holiness of the flesh. The foundation of Catholisicim. Needed to create a Queen of heaven.

Note. . . . Bolded black = no power
Note . . . Bolded red = power

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Again no such thing as holiness of the dead corrupted flesh. We understand according to the same power that did work in Jesus .Yet he knew no sin . Not by what the eyes see (No faith)

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

 

[garee]

The word "apostolic" simply means "in relation to apostles". Only in specific contexts does its meaning gain additional nuances.

Yes faith is not given in relation to those sent.(apostle) The way the word is used in most circles from my experiences, giving some power to their flesh. . Many glory in their flesh and usurp the faith as it is written. Placing the apostles above it. (Apostolic succession)

Same with "apostolic time period" . Abel was the first recorded apostle and first recoded martyr as a member of the bride the church .

Faith is in relation to it as it is written . The it point to the unseen source of faith not seen the eternal .

The word apostle has been butcherer taking away its intended purpose . Violating the warning not to add new meaning to one word . It can change many commandments. Taking away the understanding of God.

 

[Skovand]

In general we don’t have a right to judge someone’s salvation. We can test their doctrine and judge their fruits but we can’t pretend to be God and say if they deserve to be in hell.

Almost all doctrine is somehow interwoven with another so it can cause people to be really triggered into fight or flight more and react badly. I see it often not just in here but life in general. Whenever someone believes something is true and correct and another says no it’s going to cause some contention. It’s then up to the individuals on how they handle it.

 

[garee]

He openly denies Jesus Christ had a tangible body of flesh and bone.

Yes it appears the individual denies a future bodily resurrection of the believers (A Foundation Of Christian Belief), perhaps a strong reason why I never received a reply to the question when asked

Jesus Christ maintains the very same body of flesh and bone that he left earth with.

Zechariah 13:4-6KJV
4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

I don't deny the Son of man, Jesus the apostle prophet had a tangible body of corrupted flesh and bone. I agree with Zechariah 13:4-6KJV. We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see .

It one of the reasons he gave us the 20 20 prescription . The eternal vision.

2 Corinthians 4:18
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Some glory in the things seen having no need for the 20/20 vision (No faith) They it would seem make Jesus into a circus seal .

John 4:48hen said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[Dino246]

Yes faith is not given in relation to those sent.(apostle) The way the word is used in most circles from my experiences, giving some power to their flesh. . Many glory in their flesh and usurp the faith as it is written. Placing the apostles above it. (Apostolic succession)

Same with "apostolic time period" . Abel was the first recorded apostle and first recoded martyr as a member of the bride the church .

"Apostolic time period," in the minds of most people, means the time after the resurrection of Christ. It's you who tries to redefine it.

Faith is in relation to it as it is written . The it point to the unseen source of faith not seen the eternal .

"Faith is in relation to" what? Without a referent identified elsewhere, your statement is meaningless. Please take a class in basic English grammar.

The word apostle has been butcherer taking away its intended purpose . Violating the warning not to add new meaning to one word . It can change many commandments. Taking away the understanding of God.

It's quite laughable that you complain about people changing the meaning of a word, given that is exactly what you have been doing lately.