Eschatology differences & how people get treated

[Nehemiah6]

That's probably why most mistake Scriptures like Matthew 24:21 in that they believe in the OD Jesus is explaining things from the sealed scroll in Revelation chapter 5 before he was slain when it states that it was sealed at that time and no one looked upon it until after he was slain.

Just because the scroll was shown as sealed in Revelation does not mean that Christ -- who is God -- was not fully aware of the contents even while He was on earth.

Therefore the Olivet Discourse and the seven seals of Revelation run in parallel lines. Also, many mistakenly believe that none on the events of the seals have been in motion since the first century. But according to the Olivet Discourse the first five seals have been operational since the writing of Revelation. Only the 6th and 7th seal events are still in the future. And they also fit into Daniel's 70th Week.

 

[iamsoandso]

Just because the scroll was shown as sealed in Revelation does not mean that Christ -- who is God -- was not fully aware of the contents even while He was on earth.

Therefore the Olivet Discourse and the seven seals of Revelation run in parallel lines. Also, many mistakenly believe that none on the events of the seals have been in motion since the first century. But according to the Olivet Discourse the first five seals have been operational since the writing of Revelation. Only the 6th and 7th seal events are still in the future. And they also fit into Daniel's 70th Week.

In Acts 1:11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 1:11&version=KJV these men of Galilee were standing looking up into heaven. why is it that they needed to have it explained to them that Jesus who was taken to heaven would return if they already knew he would?

 

[Truth7t7]

You really wanted to say "in the realm of fantasy" since everything in Scripture is in BOTH the material and spiritual realms. If all of the above are not real, literal, and both spiritual and tangible, then everything in the Bible is fantasy.

What should concern you is this question "Why am I so anxious to CONTRADICT both God and Christ?" Contradicting the Bible is equivalent to unbelief and making God a liar.

The second question should be "Why is Satan so anxious to DECEIVE Christians into thinking that the literal Millennium is fantasy?" Could it be that he hates the thought of being locked up in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years, knowing that at the end of that period he will be cast into the Lake of Fire"?

Just like Satan deceived Christians into adopting the false gospel of Calvinism, Satan has managed to deceive well-meaning, learned, scholarly, spiritual men into believing the nonsense of Amillennialism.

THEOPEDIA
Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church, and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return. It stands in contrast to premillennialism, which states that Christ will return prior to a literal 1000 year earthly reign; and postmillennialism, which states that Christ's return will follow a 1000 year golden age ushered in by the church.

However, if Christ is presently reigning, then according to the Bible Satan should also be confined in the bottomless pit. But since it obvious that Satan is presently having a heyday, the ABSURDITY OF AMILLENIALISM should be evident to all (other than those who are wilfully blind).

Where Is The Tangible, Material, Earthly Kingdom In Revelation 20:1-6 Below?

(THERE ISN'T ONE)

Those that believe in a future, literal 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth, proclaim this earthly kingdom is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

As is clearly seen, there is no tangible, earthly kingdom or mortal humans seen, not a one!

That seen below is 100% in the Lord's (Spiritual Realm) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% Spiritual Realm.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

I would think the greater is not in respect to the severity. .Just as the father is not greater than the Son but in a greater position of the two that works together as one. The greater tribulation has to be like none before or ever gain .One demonstration is all that was propmised.

When the reformation came the veil was rent and the prophecy was fulfilled . Revelation 20;3.

In the last days the gospel will be silenced or killed. And Satan will be loosened for a short while and again deceive all the nations That a person must first become a Jew under the letter of the law death with the same promise of the garden thou shall surely will no die. Look to the flesh of a Jew and live.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

No greater tribulation than that death .The wrath that is being revealed from heaven under the Sun

I disagree with your Satan is the ruler, all must become Jews, etc during the tribulation.

During the 3.5 year tribulation the (Two Witnesses) are going to (Rule) by plagues, just as Moses/Aaron ruled Pharoah of Egypt.

Satan is trying to (Hide) the true rulers in the (Two Witnesses) seen below.

All Plagues As Often As They Will!

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In Acts 1:11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 1:11&version=KJV these men of Galilee were standing looking up into heaven. why is it that they needed to have it explained to them that Jesus who was taken to heaven would return if they already knew he would?

Sometimes Bible truths do not sink in immediately. If you recall Jesus had told them many times about His resurrection. Yet in the end none of them expected it as He had prophesied. He had also told them about His ascension. Again, they simply forgot.

 

[dcontroversal]

I've been called names and was even denied salvation by some over eschatology differences.
I believe that nobody can indisputably prove what exactly will happen in the future...
Do you personally think it's justified to display that level of hostility towards others when it comes to this subject?
Have you had similar experiences, people getting ugly about differences in opinion about what's going to happen in the future?

Amen, and I flat disagree with post #2 based upon the following truths...
a. God's word is meant to be understood and can be understood
b. For every one prophecy concerning the 1st coming of Christ, there are 8 that deal with his second coming.
DISHONESTY, A LACK OF CONTEXTUAL HONESTY, DENYING OBVIOUS WORD DEFINITIONS, DENYING OBVIOUS STATEMENTS and people trying to interpret the end and they cannot even get salvation right <---these are why there are 57 flavors of the end, just like salvation...........Jesus was clear.....the LAST DAY is the day and at least three witnesses testify to this truth.

 

[iamsoandso]

Sometimes Bible truths do not sink in immediately. If you recall Jesus had told them many times about His resurrection. Yet in the end none of them expected it as He had prophesied. He had also told them about His ascension. Again, they simply forgot.

Your correct,every time he told them he would suffer it says they didn't understand. Mary thought he was the gardener and had moved his body https://biblehub.com/john/20-15.htm ... Thomas said he wouldn't believe Jesus rose from the grave unless he put his fingers in the nail holes ect. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John 20:25 ,,,They thought he was among the dead after the cross(verse 5) the Apostles thought it was "idle tales,and they believed them not"(verse 11) In (verse 21) Cleopas said "we had trusted" it had been he,,but it's been three days since they killed him. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 24&version=KJV

None of them thought that he was going to die on the Cross and were baffled that he,who they believed was the Messiah(Jesus) would die. They did not understand that he would be in the Tomb for three days and then rise from it or that he would after 40 days ascend up to heaven and then return in an second coming.

Now back to Matthew 24:3 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-3.htm If they didn't have any idea that he would die,be in the grave three days,rise from the grave then ascend to heaven and return a second time what are they asking him in Matthew 24:3 and what did he answer? They pointed to the buildings and ask when the things he spoke of would be,what was the sign of his coming,,,and the consumption of the age.

The Scriptures state that they didn't understand this,that they didn't believe he rose and describe their reactions to this after he was Crucified and buried but most today think and believe they ask him about his second coming in Matthew 24:3.

 

[Kolistus]

Actually, in his defense, he did kind of answer the OP...



He thereby affirmed, that it IS justified to be hostile to that level in his view, and also, unless I misunderstood, that people who disagree with him on the subject aren't saved. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

Truth7t7 is only talking about full preterism which denies a future second coming and resurrection.
Clearly these people are lost.

Hymeneus is in the Bible, Paul didn't have many positive things to say about him, who taught resurrection had already came and went.

 

[garee]

I disagree with your Satan is the ruler, all must become Jews, etc during the tribulation.

During the 3.5 year tribulation the (Two Witnesses) are going to (Rule) by plagues, just as Moses/Aaron ruled Pharoah of Egypt.

Satan is trying to (Hide) the true rulers in the (Two Witnesses) seen below.

All Plagues As Often As They Will!

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

I was not saying a person must become a Jew. But was referring to the kind of kingdom having a king in Israel.It would be restored for a short while . Men are already gearing up looking for ancient artifacts or red heifers, golden ark boxes etc.. An abomination of desolation .. .Therefore making the word of God without effect. Killing the witness of God . Its an evil generation, natural unconverted mankind that seeks after a sign, as a lying wonder. None was given.

◄ 1 John 5:9 ►If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

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Two witnesses make up the one witness of God's Holy Spirit . Two is used to represent God's witness and not the witness of man throughout the bible. ( sent two by two.) . The father and the Son. The husband and the wife. The law of God (signified by Moses) to indicate the letter "death" with the prophets signified by Elias the spirit of prophecy the unseen power called the law of faith . Which is believing God's understanding as it is written

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Luke 1:17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

The two witnesses in Revelation Moses and Elias or the law and prophets. The gospel will be silenced and Satan will be able to deceive all the nations as he did prior to the beginning of the reformation when men again will set up an abomination of desolation. Kings in Israel along with all its trappings. then the end will come.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

"Sackcloth". . the sign to the world declaring blasphemy .

 

[Truth7t7]

I was not saying a person must become a Jew. But was referring to the kind of kingdom having a king in Israel.It would be restored for a short while . Men are already gearing up looking for ancient artifacts or red heifers, golden ark boxes etc.. An abomination of desolation .. .Therefore making the word of God without effect. Killing the witness of God . Its an evil generation, natural unconverted mankind that seeks after a sign, as a lying wonder. None was given.

◄ 1 John 5:9 ►If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

​

Two witnesses make up the one witness of God's Holy Spirit . Two is used to represent God's witness and not the witness of man throughout the bible. ( sent two by two.) . The father and the Son. The husband and the wife. The law of God (signified by Moses) to indicate the letter "death" with the prophets signified by Elias the spirit of prophecy the unseen power called the law of faith . Which is believing God's understanding as it is written

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Luke 1:17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

The two witnesses in Revelation Moses and Elias or the law and prophets. The gospel will be silenced and Satan will be able to deceive all the nations as he did prior to the beginning of the reformation when men again will set up an abomination of desolation. Kings in Israel along with all its trappings. then the end will come.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

"Sackcloth". . the sign to the world declaring blasphemy .

Thanks for clarification

It appears you don't believe in future literal Prophets returned in Revelation 11:1-15 the (Two Witnesses) but see this as symbolic of the word of God?

Appears your a Historicist in your eschatology?

 

[garee]

Your correct,every time he told them he would suffer it says they didn't understand. Mary thought he was the gardener and had moved his body https://biblehub.com/john/20-15.htm ... Thomas said he wouldn't believe Jesus rose from the grave unless he put his fingers in the nail holes ect. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John 20:25 ,,,They thought he was among the dead after the cross(verse 5) the Apostles thought it was "idle tales,and they believed them not"(verse 11) In (verse 21) Cleopas said "we had trusted" it had been he,,but it's been three days since they killed him. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 24&version=KJV

None of them thought that he was going to die on the Cross and were baffled that he,who they believed was the Messiah(Jesus) would die. They did not understand that he would be in the Tomb for three days and then rise from it or that he would after 40 days ascend up to heaven and then return in an second coming.

Now back to Matthew 24:3 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-3.htm If they didn't have any idea that he would die,be in the grave three days,rise from the grave then ascend to heaven and return a second time what are they asking him in Matthew 24:3 and what did he answer? They pointed to the buildings and ask when the things he spoke of would be,what was the sign of his coming,,,and the consumption of the age.

The Scriptures state that they didn't understand this,that they didn't believe he rose and describe their reactions to this after he was Crucified and buried but most today think and believe they ask him about his second coming in Matthew 24:3.

Yes, many are looking for a second demonstration when only one was given according to the prophecy .(Isaiah 53) .And when he left he said even though a few did know him after the flesh of the Son of man as the father worked in him, that we would know him no more ever again. . . . according to what the eyes see. .(2 Corinthians 5:16)

Rather than calling it a second coming .I think of it as the first time completely going .The end of the temporal corrupted under the Sun, the beginning of the glorious eternal when we receive our new incorruptible bodies. .

The Spirit of God holds all things together by the word of his power. If he leaves things die . His glory will again be the light of day as it was the first three days. . . in the propmised new heavens (third) and earth. The heaven of heavens

 

[iamsoandso]

Yes, many are looking for a second demonstration when only one was given according to the prophecy .(Isaiah 53) .And when he left he said even though a few did know him after the flesh of the Son of man as the father worked in him, that we would know him no more ever again. . . . according to what the eyes see. .(2 Corinthians 5:16)

Rather than calling it a second coming .I think of it as the first time completely going .The end of the temporal corrupted under the Sun, the beginning of the glorious eternal when we receive our new incorruptible bodies. .

The Spirit of God holds all things together by the word of his power. If he leaves things die . His glory will again be the light of day as it was the first three days. . . in the propmised new heavens (third) and earth. The heaven of heavens

https://biblehub.com/acts/1-11.htm The Bible says he will.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, many are looking for a second demonstration when only one was given according to the prophecy .(Isaiah 53) .And when he left he said even though a few did know him after the flesh of the Son of man as the father worked in him, that we would know him no more ever again. . . . according to what the eyes see. .(2 Corinthians 5:16)

Rather than calling it a second coming .I think of it as the first time completely going .The end of the temporal corrupted under the Sun, the beginning of the glorious eternal when we receive our new incorruptible bodies. .

The Spirit of God holds all things together by the word of his power. If he leaves things die . His glory will again be the light of day as it was the first three days. . . in the propmised new heavens (third) and earth. The heaven of heavens

I have asked these direct questions before without response, once again?

1.) Do you believe in a (Future) literal coming of Jesus Christ from the heavens?

2.) Do you believe in a (Future) bodily resurrection of the believer?

 

[Truth7t7]

https://biblehub.com/acts/1-11.htm The Bible says he will.

Gods word clearly teaches of Jesus Christ returning from the heavens in the (Future)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[iamsoandso]

Gods word clearly teaches of Jesus Christ returning from the heavens in the (Future)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

My point in the post he quoted me saying was that they would not be asking Jesus about his "second coming" because they didn't think that the Messiah(Jesus) was suppose to die,be buried and resurrected. Because they were raised in Judaism they would have been thinking he was suppose to come,rule as king in Jerusalem and rule the entire world from there.

They it seems were confused as to why he was saying that the Temple would be destroyed and the rest carried away captive and were questioning "the sign of his coming", meaning that if he was the Messiah(the way they had in mind) he would not be capable of fulfilling the signs they were taught to look for (things he would do), if the temple no longer existed.

In their thinking as Jews he was suppose to come,rise up as king of Israel, overthrow the beast kingdoms that ruled over them but instead he was saying things that contradicted what they thought. Judas Iscariot betrays him right after the OD he probably no longer thought Jesus was the Messiah because of this.

As Christians we do see an second coming because we have the luxury of the NT books/letters which have explained this to us. Bareing that in mind it is easy to see that we would look at the OD and immediately think "second coming" where they ask "sign of thy coming" but they had no understanding of what we now know at the time Matthew 24:3 took place.

 

[Truth7t7]

My point in the post he quoted me saying was that they would not be asking Jesus about his "second coming" because they didn't think that the Messiah(Jesus) was suppose to die,be buried and resurrected. Because they were raised in Judaism they would have been thinking he was suppose to come,rule as king in Jerusalem and rule the entire world from there.

They it seems were confused as to why he was saying that the Temple would be destroyed and the rest carried away captive and were questioning "the sign of his coming", meaning that if he was the Messiah(the way they had in mind) he would not be capable of fulfilling the signs they were taught to look for (things he would do), if the temple no longer existed.

In their thinking as Jews he was suppose to come,rise up as king of Israel, overthrow the beast kingdoms that ruled over them but instead he was saying things that contradicted what they thought. Judas Iscariot betrays him right after the OD he probably no longer thought Jesus was the Messiah because of this.

As Christians we do see an second coming because we have the luxury of the NT books/letters which have explained this to us. Bareing that in mind it is easy to see that we would look at the OD and immediately think "second coming" where they ask "sign of thy coming" but they had no understanding of what we now know at the time Matthew 24:3 took place.

I fully agree, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was a mystery, as was the second coming at the time Jesus walked with his disciples.

 

[garee]

Thanks for clarification

It appears you don't believe in future literal Prophets returned in Revelation 11:1-15 the (Two Witnesses) but see this as symbolic of the word of God?

Appears your a Historicist in your eschatology?

More of a Amil today. Not sure what makes Historicist ?

I see it more as a parable using the temporal things seen. Moses (law death) and Elias (spirit life) to represent the unseen eternal work of God working in us with us. . Using the historically true and mixing it with faith the unseen eternal. (2 Corinthians 4:18)

Moses and Elissa bones will not be dug up .Like that of Catholiscim and the cadaver trial of Pope Formosa. Moses and Elissa together represent all things written (law and prophets) sola scriptura. God's one witness.

To be clothed in sack cloth is to declare blasphemy. Shown by the two witnesses below. When faithless mankind (no understanding coming form hearing the ord of God as it is written accredited the work of the gospel to the hands of the apostles . Calling them gods that came down in the likeness of men .as if it was a sign gift.

Acts14: 12-14 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,. . . . . . . . . .

In that context Barnabas and Paul, represented the law and prophets.

The faithless witnesses under the influence of the god of this world called Barnabas, Jupiter (chief god ) ; and Paul, Mercurius, (chief speaker or preacher .And in doing so usurped the work of the father and Son .The peace of God.

Satan who turns things upside down (earthly inspired of the devil) . . .taking away the understanding of God in that parable.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

 

[iamsoandso]

I fully agree, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was a mystery, as was the second coming at the time Jesus walked with his disciples.

Yes up until they were sent the Comforter. In Acts 3:21(after the HS) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 3:21&version=KJV is when it seems they understood and believed he was in heaven and would return. But as in Acts 10,11 other things were explained/understood some years later.

 

[Truth7t7]

More of a Amil today. Not sure what makes Historicist ?

I see it more as a parable using the temporal things seen. Moses (law death) and Elias (spirit life) to represent the unseen eternal work of God working in us with us. . Using the historically true and mixing it with faith the unseen eternal. (2 Corinthians 4:18)

Moses and Elissa bones will not be dug up .Like that of Catholiscim and the cadaver trial of Pope Formosa. Moses and Elissa together represent all things written (law and prophets) sola scriptura. God's one witness.

To be clothed in sack cloth is to declare blasphemy. Shown by the two witnesses below. When faithless mankind (no understanding coming form hearing the ord of God as it is written accredited the work of the gospel to the hands of the apostles . Calling them gods that came down in the likeness of men .as if it was a sign gift.

Acts14: 12-14 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,. . . . . . . . . .

In that context Barnabas and Paul, represented the law and prophets.

The faithless witnesses under the influence of the god of this world called Barnabas, Jupiter (chief god ) ; and Paul, Mercurius, (chief speaker or preacher .And in doing so usurped the work of the father and Son .The peace of God.

Satan who turns things upside down (earthly inspired of the devil) . . .taking away the understanding of God in that parable.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Do you believe the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 has been fulfilled or is this a future event?

Do you believe in a future literal human Man as the (Man of Sin/Antichrist)?

 

[garee]

I have asked these direct questions before without response, once again?

1.) Do you believe in a (Future) literal coming of Jesus Christ from the heavens?

2.) Do you believe in a (Future) bodily resurrection of the believer?

Thanks I can try.

The bible does not use the phrase the second coming of the Son of man ,Jesus, that seen the temporal .It does inform us Christ not seen will by faith appear to second time on the last day and we will receive the promise our new incorruptible bodies

In respect to the Son of man, Jesus' corrupted flesh and blood . He informs us he will not literally return. (2Corinthians 5:16)

God is not a man . It was a one time demonstration of the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world .Not an after thought.

Christs is reigning in the hearts of mankind a kingdom of priests as Ambassadors of Christ who works in them. . sent from a foreign land not of this world. There citizenship is not of this world system . They will be reigning with him until the last day .Then he will depart from this creation under the Sun .

I believe our new born again souls will be awakened on the last day and given a new incorruptible body .It will be neither male not female Jew nor gentile . it will not be made up of the rudiments or element's of this corrupted creation. "flesh and blood".