Eschatology differences & how people get treated
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I didn't say otherwise. However, when you use a term that already has a widely-accepted meaning, but you use it with a meaning you have invented, and others don't understand what you're saying, that is your problem, not theirs. If you want to remain far out in left field, that is your choice, but don't be so foolish as to claim that others are the ones without right understanding.
Good question. Not a salvation issue .I believe more of how do we hear what the Spirt says to the churches us.
I would think as they stood in wonderment He might say “Men of Galilee, why wonder? He came invisibly and lived in a body of death the Son of man and you believed not his words. What difference would it make if he did come back for another demonstration ? If they believed not the gospel .All thing written the law and the prophets .than neither would they believe if he did come for another temporal demonstration .
I think the parable in Luke 16 provides some understanding .It is similar. The end or lesson the same. 2
Luke 16: 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
The rich man sought after flesh and blood to return. In effect the answer was if you do not receive the gospel all things writen in the law of and prophets as the one source of Christ faith .than nither would yu have the faith neded if one did appear. we walk by faith the unsen power of God. For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.We lok to the one source of faith the eternal not after what the eys see the temporal
The he teaches us how to understand the word of God . The mixing of faith. not seen ,the eternal Not of our own selves the temporal
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Last instructions for the believers.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
One promised demonstration
I would think as they stood in wonderment He might say “Men of Galilee, why wonder? He came invisibly and lived in a body of death the Son of man and you believed not his words. What difference would it make if he did come back for another demonstration ? If they believed not the gospel .All thing written the law and the prophets .than neither would they believe if he did come for another temporal demonstration .
I think the parable in Luke 16 provides some understanding .It is similar. The end or lesson the same. 2
Luke 16: 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
The rich man sought after flesh and blood to return. In effect the answer was if you do not receive the gospel all things writen in the law of and prophets as the one source of Christ faith .than nither would yu have the faith neded if one did appear. we walk by faith the unsen power of God. For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.We lok to the one source of faith the eternal not after what the eys see the temporal
The he teaches us how to understand the word of God . The mixing of faith. not seen ,the eternal Not of our own selves the temporal
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Last instructions for the believers.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
One promised demonstration
You deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, that would be considered (Double Heresy) by many.
Jesus Christ Was Raised In The Very Same Body That Was Hung On The Cross Of Calvary, It Was Flesh & Bone That Maintained The Scars From Calvary.
Yes It's My Opinion Your Views Are Unorthodox And Considered By Many To Be Heretical, Including Myself.
The Doctrine Of The Bodily Resurrection Of Jesus Christ Is The (Foundation) Of The Christian Faith, You Falsely Teach Another Doctrine And Gospel.
Luke 24:30-46KJV
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Jesus Christ Was Raised In The Very Same Body That Was Hung On The Cross Of Calvary, It Was Flesh & Bone That Maintained The Scars From Calvary.
Yes It's My Opinion Your Views Are Unorthodox And Considered By Many To Be Heretical, Including Myself.
The Doctrine Of The Bodily Resurrection Of Jesus Christ Is The (Foundation) Of The Christian Faith, You Falsely Teach Another Doctrine And Gospel.
Luke 24:30-46KJV
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
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I am sure the disciples that watched Lazarus rise from a four day "dead asleep' And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered. Jesus distracted them and instructed them remove the grave clothes'. brotherly love .
The father removed them from Jesus in the tomb No work was accredited to any other . The finished work of two. . .Bound him with the law... released him with the law of faith .
Notice Jesus said a spirit does not have flesh and bone .Hey. . . Its me guys the same one who does the will of the father yet without sin .
To get their attention like with Lazarus crowd. .Jesus asked his crowd for meat then speaking on the metaphor meat .These are the words of the gospel All thing written in the law and prophets , the meat of doing the will of the unseen father .
A spirit hath not flesh and bones.
If it did then Peter is the devil And Christ was no referring to the unseen force of lies. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, the temporal seen .No forgiveness against Christ's unseen Spirit of faith that worked in the apostle Jesus.
Mathew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Jesus Christ rose from the grave, in the same body of Flesh/Bone that hung on the Cross of Calvary, maintaining the very same scars in the hands/feet
Once again, you deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, and replace it with symbolic allegory.
These teachings presented are false, another gospel, Heretical in my opinion.
It took weeks to get here, but the truth has come out, and I now know your beliefs and teaching.
Once again, you deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, and replace it with symbolic allegory.
These teachings presented are false, another gospel, Heretical in my opinion.
It took weeks to get here, but the truth has come out, and I now know your beliefs and teaching.
Potter, sad part about these forums is (Everybody) is lumped into one forum under (Bible Discussions)
Other Christian Boards has several sub forums so you don't get caught up with Unorthodox teachings.
Catholic, Seventh Day, Presbyterian, Calvinists, Arminians, etc
(Full Preterism) is banned on many christian Boards, it seems like 50% of the posters follow this false teaching?
Other Christian Boards has several sub forums so you don't get caught up with Unorthodox teachings.
Catholic, Seventh Day, Presbyterian, Calvinists, Arminians, etc
(Full Preterism) is banned on many christian Boards, it seems like 50% of the posters follow this false teaching?
Not a salvation issue.. .
Once again I acknowledge the bodily resurrection of Jesus the Son of man, the apostle of Christ.
With three denoting the end of a matter. The first of two trinities the witness of men .or what the eyes see. It as a shadow represented the witness of God(2) according to the unseen trinity, the witness of faith . the witness of faith is greater be cause it is the witness of the eternal Spirt God. He does no have flesh and bones. Two trinities .two different witnesses . One God.
1 John 5:7-9 King James Version (KJV) For there are (1) three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And (2) there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men(2) , the witness of God (1) is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: The witness of faith the unseen.
Spirit, and the water, and the blood. The witness of sight. . no faith needed.
Not a salvation issue.. .
Once again I acknowledge the bodily resurrection of Jesus the Son of man, the apostle of Christ.
With three denoting the end of a matter. The first of two trinities the witness of men .or what the eyes see. It as a shadow represented the witness of God(2) according to the unseen trinity, the witness of faith . the witness of faith is greater be cause it is the witness of the eternal Spirt God. He does no have flesh and bones. Two trinities .two different witnesses . One God.
1 John 5:7-9 King James Version (KJV) For there are (1) three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And (2) there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men(2) , the witness of God (1) is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: The witness of faith the unseen.
Spirit, and the water, and the blood. The witness of sight. . no faith needed
Is Jesus the witness of man an apostle?
Whose witness as a trinity are you trusting? Which one is the greater as the witness of God. .
(1) Is it of God and not of men ? .
(2) The one seen and not the one invisible?
Witness of faith or witness of sight?
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Good question. Not a salvation issue .I believe more of how do we hear what the Spirt says to the churches us.
I would think as they stood in wonderment He might say “Men of Galilee, why wonder? He came invisibly and lived in a body of death the Son of man and you believed not his words. What difference would it make if he did come back for another demonstration ? If they believed not the gospel .All thing written the law and the prophets .than neither would they believe if he did come for another temporal demonstration .
I think the parable in Luke 16 provides some understanding .It is similar. The end or lesson the same. 2
Luke 16: 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
The rich man sought after flesh and blood to return. In effect the answer was if you do not receive the gospel all things writen in the law of and prophets as the one source of Christ faith .than nither would yu have the faith neded if one did appear. we walk by faith the unsen power of God. For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.We lok to the one source of faith the eternal not after what the eys see the temporal
The he teaches us how to understand the word of God . The mixing of faith. not seen ,the eternal Not of our own selves the temporal
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Last instructions for the believers.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
One promised demonstration
I would think as they stood in wonderment He might say “Men of Galilee, why wonder? He came invisibly and lived in a body of death the Son of man and you believed not his words. What difference would it make if he did come back for another demonstration ? If they believed not the gospel .All thing written the law and the prophets .than neither would they believe if he did come for another temporal demonstration .
I think the parable in Luke 16 provides some understanding .It is similar. The end or lesson the same. 2
Luke 16: 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
The rich man sought after flesh and blood to return. In effect the answer was if you do not receive the gospel all things writen in the law of and prophets as the one source of Christ faith .than nither would yu have the faith neded if one did appear. we walk by faith the unsen power of God. For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.We lok to the one source of faith the eternal not after what the eys see the temporal
The he teaches us how to understand the word of God . The mixing of faith. not seen ,the eternal Not of our own selves the temporal
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Last instructions for the believers.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
One promised demonstration
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