Gary, that's true for me too. Abel was baptized in his own blood. He was born again. I think as second son he was less important to His mother. Born humbled in state made Abel more sympathetic to the affliction suffered by the imposition of a matriarch on the first family. Suffering bore mostly by his father but also himself. They understood that the family of man was disordered. Abel's blood is on Cain's hands but also the hands of His mother.That born again religion is first witnessed with the first martyr a prophet sent as a apostle with the gospel. . Abel .
Great errors and false teaching were immediate. The worst thing you can do is assume things were good and true in the beginning and follow a tradition believing that tradition is holding to the 'original' teachings the most faithful or true . This is the greatest deception Catholics have bought into . Not just Catholics, many denomination s . " oh we go back to such and such ,when the real Church was such and such " . Even now folks are convinced we should go back to the book of Acts because that was the authentic way . Calvinism , Lutherans, Cathoilcs are all assuming they can trace back their beginnings through the church history claiming they are the true ,godly and authentic ' blood line ' to the ' original ' . Catholicism being the most boastful and deceived in this thinking. You cannot arrive at Roman Catholicism through the bible . What has happened, like all groups and systems it ' uses ' the bible to prop up the tradition.To BELIEVE Christ alone is all that is necessary! And 2,000 years ago Christ said to Simon..""You are Peter and upon this rock I will build MY Church." (Matt.16:17-19) So Christ built ONE Christian Church, not thousands of disagreeing churches, 2,000 years ago. How old is your Church? The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church can trace itself back Bishop by Bishop for 2,000 years to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder. Not Luther in 1521 A.D.. Not Calvin.. Not Wesley.. Not Smith.. Darby.......
That is because you have been taught Catholicism by..non or even anti-Catholics. I too was raised that way, to believe in all of the myths about Catholic teaching that are simply NOT the truth! Like.."Catholics worship Mary." When the Catholic Church really teaches that.."ONLY the Blessed Trinity is worthy of worship." Or.."Catholics put the Pope above Christ." When the Pope's job description is.."The servant of the servants of God." Or.."Catholics crucify Jesus over and over again at every Mass." When the real teaching of the oldest Christian Church is that the ONE sacrifice of Jesus Christ, with incense, is re-PRESENTED at every Mass..not redone! It is as the prophet Malachi foretold.. "From the rising of the sun to it's setting my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering (Jesus Christ). For my name is great among the Gentiles says the Lord of hosts." (Malachi 1:11) Please don't despise the Eucharist! Because our Lord goes on to say.. "But you profane it when you say that the Lord's table is polluted, and the food for it may be despised." (Malachi 1:12)
I showed you scriptures that you didn't refute . How do you know if Jesus taught what I believe or what you believe? Or what neither of us believe?
How do you know if what you believe is the Gospel Paul preached? Maybe he preached what I believe. Maybe we're both accursed.
They had bigger fish to fry. I don't know if he ever thought there might be teachings that would not be accepted because of where it came from.
What do you mean?If Truth belongs to you it's loved no matter where it's found.
Time off work .What do you guys think about (religious) holidays?
Gary, that's true for me too. Abel was baptized in his own blood. He was born again. I think as second son he was less important to His mother. Born humbled in state made Abel more sympathetic to the affliction suffered by the imposition of a matriarch on the first family. Suffering bore mostly by his father but also himself. They understood that the family of man was disordered. Abel's blood is on Cain's hands but also the hands of His mother.
Pure heresy. No biblical support for such a contention.No one with unforgiven sin can go to purgatory. Only those who died in Christ go there
Jesus said there is no escape from hades. Jesus never taught that there is any chance of redemption after death. Man is appointed one time to die then he appears before judgment.If it were hell there would be no getting out and no way to pay back the debt. Prison is penitentiary.
You are forcing a temporal definition on an eternal reality my friend. This one gets all the gravy the rest get what is clinging to the inside walls of the bowl. You need to be careful it seems you are close to being hateful to the Mother of the Lord. There is supposed to be a tradition of calling her Blessed among Christians. Our Blessed Mother would be an appropriate way to address her according to the Bible.
There were more important doctrines that the Church needed to grasp. You have to take into account that these are the first Christians. They are first to populate the after life. So, some of the teachings about the afterlife developed later as more ChristiaWhat do you mean?
Purgatory is about repairing damage caused by our sin. Damage to our soul and others.Pure heresy. No biblical support for such a contention.
Christ atoned for all our sins. Jesus left no sin for us to atone for as even the smallest of sin would condemn us to eternal condemnation.
He who offends the law even in one point has offended the entire law.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I said it wasn't hell. Its not about redemption. All false premises to launch arguments. In fact people in Purgatory have eternal security for real. They know they are heaven bound. Its the presence of Christ that purges sin as we see Him as He is.Jesus said there is no escape from hades. Jesus never taught that there is any chance of redemption after death. Man is appointed one time to die then he appears before judgment.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Your hatred of the Catholic Church blinds you. Hatred blinds You should sincerely study the life of Jesus Mother. Do you know that no one can come to Christ if they are not called by the Father? Do you know that reality extends to Jesus Mother? If the Father is drawing you to His Son you will be drawn to His Blessed Mother. If you are drawn to Christ but don't want to know His Mother. The Father drawing you is questionable. This is biblical truth. The Holy Spirit showed me that reading Scriptures.
There were more important doctrines that the Church needed to grasp. You have to take into account that these are the first Christians. They are first to populate the after life. So, some of the teachings about the afterlife developed later as more Christia
Purgatory is about repairing damage caused by our sin. Damage to our soul and others.
Say you punch a guy and break his nose. You misjudged him and realize you wronged him . you ask and receive his forgiveness.
Aahh everything is good now and you go on with your day happily forgiven. Meanwhile the poor forgiving man is on the ground bleeding in pain and needs a doctor. You victimize him twice if you just accept forgiveness. He nurtured you and you did nothing for Him. Purgatory is about repairing that nose you broke and alleviating any pain and trouble caused by your sin he forgave.
Sadly this is where religion fails. It says as long as I do not murder rape etc I am okPure heresy. No biblical support for such a contention.
Christ atoned for all our sins. Jesus left no sin for us to atone for as even the smallest of sin would condemn us to eternal condemnation.
He who offends the law even in one point has offended the entire law.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.If this Queen of heaven entity you call blessed mother had a voice to be reckoned by other than the words of the spirit of Christ that moved our dear sister in the lord Mary in the scripture as prophecy I might by warned and have some care.
But the bible informs us who the mother of us all is .Called the free woman in Galatians 4.As the bride of Christ she is made up of all believers. They like Paul who held out the gospel in pains of birth until the born again spirit of Christ was formed . She is made up of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house, the church.. Abel the first recorded martyr. His sufferings in pain as he held out the gospel ended in death and not birth as Did Paul with Timothy. no such thing as a queen of heaven .its easy to see that catholic have copied the Jewish law of the fathers. As those who do not hearken to the word of salvation .But rather do whatsoever their own mouth of oral tradition of the fathers on say can't serve two teaching masters..
The word mother much be searched out and looked at the context of what is written ( sola scriptura) And again not the law of a legion of the fathers .it makes sola scriptura without effect.
Jeremiah 44:16-18 King James Version (KJV As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto "thee". But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Do you see a evil of a queen in heaven and disagree with the law of your fathers. The things of men or will you hearkens unto the things of God. Again no man can serve two teaching masters.
If Jesus is your King then His mother is your Queen.If this Queen of heaven entity you call blessed mother had a voice to be reckoned by other than the words of the spirit of Christ that moved our dear sister in the lord Mary in the scripture as prophecy I might by warned and have some care.
But the bible informs us who the mother of us all is .Called the free woman in Galatians 4.As the bride of Christ she is made up of all believers. They like Paul who held out the gospel in pains of birth until the born again spirit of Christ was formed . She is made up of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house, the church.. Abel the first recorded martyr. His sufferings in pain as he held out the gospel ended in death and not birth as Did Paul with Timothy. no such thing as a queen of heaven .its easy to see that catholic have copied the Jewish law of the fathers. As those who do not hearken to the word of salvation .But rather do whatsoever their own mouth of oral tradition of the fathers on say can't serve two teaching masters..
The word mother much be searched out and looked at the context of what is written ( sola scriptura) And again not the law of a legion of the fathers .it makes sola scriptura without effect.
Jeremiah 44:16-18 King James Version (KJV As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto "thee". But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Do you see a evil of a queen in heaven and disagree with the law of your fathers. The things of men or will you hearkens unto the things of God. Again no man can serve two teaching masters.
Say you punch a guy and break his nose. You misjudged him and realize you wronged him . you ask and receive his forgiveness.
Aahh everything is good now and you go on with your day happily forgiven. Meanwhile the poor forgiving man is on the ground bleeding in pain and needs a doctor. You victimize him twice if you just accept forgiveness. He nurtured you and you did nothing for Him. Purgatory is about repairing that nose you broke and alleviating any pain and trouble caused by your sin he forgave
26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted to me
If Jesus is your King then His mother is your Queen.
I'm familiar with the pagan fertility gods.
I don't have a problem distinguishing the two.
Why do you call Jesus's mother 'sister'
There were more important doctrines that the Church needed to grasp. You have to take into account that these are the first Christians. They are first to populate the after life. So, some of the teachings about the afterlife developed later as more Christia