Chosen by God - A study in Election

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Here it is, all put more succinctly.....

He shall never be clearly persuaded, as we ought to be, that our salvation flows from eternal election, which illumines God’s grace by this contrast: that he does not indiscriminately adopt all into the hope of salvation but gives to some what he denies to others.”

John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion p. 921
 
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cv5 said:
One of the best studies I've ever heard on this matter. John MacArthur is on point, It is some of his best work.

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/60-2/chosen-by-god-part-1
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/60-3/chosen-by-god-part-2
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/60-2/chosen-by-god-part-3
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Yet not one verse says we are chosen to be saved .
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)

Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)

There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
 
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One of the best studies I've ever heard on this matter. John MacArthur is on point
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Calvinists should give it a rest. TULIP IS TIRESOME.

1. Unconditional election is FALSE DOCTRINE. Among many other passages John 3:16,17 thoroughly refutes it.

2. Since all men are sinners, and Christ died for all, God offers salvation freely to all mankind. That in itself is the strongest proof that Calvinistic unconditional election is not only false, BUT OPPOSES GOD AND CHRIST.

4. Furthermore Israel in the Bible is the strongest evidence that God elects none for salvation or damnation. Israel was in fact THE ELECT NATION of God. Which would mean -- according to Calvinistic logic -- that each and every Israelite should have been elected for salvation. But the history of Israel proves that because of unbelief and rebellion, only a small believing remnant of Jews were saved. Indeed God brought judgment upon Israel for the rejection of Christ.

5. Therefore with all of those Scriptures before Calvinists, it is purely WILFUL BLINDNESS to go on believing the lie that God elects some for salvation and others for damnation.
 
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Election denied is by those who have not been allowed to grasp the truth.
Foolish objections deny the Covenant salvation the Apostles presupposed.
Without an understanding of the work of the trinity in salvation ,the blessed truth of individuals elected to salvation in union with Christ will be fragmented as these clueless opposers do here
 
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Iconoclast said:
Election denied is by those who have not been allowed to grasp the truth.
Foolish objections deny the Covenant salvation the Apostles presupposed.
Without an understanding of the work of the trinity in salvation ,the blessed truth of individuals elected to salvation in union with Christ will be fragmented as these clueless opposers do here
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Of course God is to be blamed here . After all he determined those to deem Calvinisn as foolishness.
 
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  • Election is -----> TRUE
  • All who are Elect inherit eternal life
  • Only God truly knows who the Elect are. Simply saying that you believe in Jesus Christ therefore you are elect doesnt quite make the grade due to the fact of the possibility of Apostasy.
  • To those who call theselves believers, to those who actually believe, we have the following verse: 2 Peter 1v10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  • What are these things mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 1v10 above? > Here they are: 1 Peter 2v5-9 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Running around with an OSAS mindset, yet not understanding that obedience to God is a commandment, is a sign you possibly may not in fact be elect at all.
 
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Chris1975 said:
  • Election is -----> TRUE
  • All who are Elect inherit eternal life
  • Only God truly knows who the Elect are. Simply saying that you believe in Jesus Christ therefore you are elect doesnt quite make the grade due to the fact of the possibility of Apostasy.
  • To those who call theselves believers, to those who actually believe, we have the following verse: 2 Peter 1v10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  • What are these things mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 1v10 above? > Here they are: 1 Peter 2v5-9 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Running around with an OSAS mindset, yet not understanding that obedience to God is a commandment, is a sign you possibly may not in fact be elect at all.
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Calvinists do not believe in osas, but rather the biblical teaching of perseverance of the saints.
Not one who objects to these truths has accurately identified the correct teaching, but offer weak strawman caricatures.
 
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Chris1975 said:
  • Election is -----> TRUE
  • All who are Elect inherit eternal life
  • Only God truly knows who the Elect are. Simply saying that you believe in Jesus Christ therefore you are elect doesnt quite make the grade due to the fact of the possibility of Apostasy.
  • To those who call theselves believers, to those who actually believe, we have the following verse: 2 Peter 1v10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  • What are these things mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 1v10 above? > Here they are: 1 Peter 2v5-9 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Running around with an OSAS mindset, yet not understanding that obedience to God is a commandment, is a sign you possibly may not in fact be elect at all.
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Actually what you have just done here is destroy any possibility of election

its states god can not know who truly has saving faith and who does not, so he has to guess, and give some eternal life, not knowing they will rebel and lose the opportunity to earn eternal life

it is in fact. Putting god down, it is almost as bad as dual fatalism, in that it rejects the gospel and says god is unknowing and incapable of determine who has saving faith and who does not, so gives hives his gift with no knowledge of the future

i guess God can see future events thousands of years in advance but can’t see 40 years down the road and what a person will do
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Calvinists should give it a rest. TULIP IS TIRESOME.

1. Unconditional election is FALSE DOCTRINE. Among many other passages John 3:16,17 thoroughly refutes it.

2. Since all men are sinners, and Christ died for all, God offers salvation freely to all mankind. That in itself is the strongest proof that Calvinistic unconditional election is not only false, BUT OPPOSES GOD AND CHRIST.

4. Furthermore Israel in the Bible is the strongest evidence that God elects none for salvation or damnation. Israel was in fact THE ELECT NATION of God. Which would mean -- according to Calvinistic logic -- that each and every Israelite should have been elected for salvation. But the history of Israel proves that because of unbelief and rebellion, only a small believing remnant of Jews were saved. Indeed God brought judgment upon Israel for the rejection of Christ.

5. Therefore with all of those Scriptures before Calvinists, it is purely WILFUL BLINDNESS to go on believing the lie that God elects some for salvation and others for damnation.
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You have not come close to refuting anything because you fo not demonstrate an understanding of the versed you offer. you do not understand jn3:15-17
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Actually what you have just done here is destroy any possibility of election

its states god can not know who truly has saving faith and who does not, so he has to guess, and give some eternal life, not knowing they will rebel and lose the opportunity to earn eternal life

it is in fact. Putting god down, it is almost as bad as dual fatalism, in that it rejects the gospel and says god is unknowing and incapable of determine who has saving faith and who does not, so gives hives his gift with no knowledge of the future

i guess God can see future events thousands of years in advance but can’t see 40 years down the road and what a person will do
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An ignorant response describing a false deity.
God does what He pleases isa46;9_11
 
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Chris1975 said:
  • Election is -----> TRUE
  • All who are Elect inherit eternal life
  • Only God truly knows who the Elect are. Simply saying that you believe in Jesus Christ therefore you are elect doesnt quite make the grade due to the fact of the possibility of Apostasy.
  • To those who call theselves believers, to those who actually believe, we have the following verse: 2 Peter 1v10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  • What are these things mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 1v10 above? > Here they are: 1 Peter 2v5-9 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Running around with an OSAS mindset, yet not understanding that obedience to God is a commandment, is a sign you possibly may not in fact be elect at all.
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where in this verse does it say ' election " has anything to do with Salvation ( in the sense of ' chosen to be saved ) ?
5¶And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
its simply saying make your ' calling ' / service to God sure by that "
add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; Nothing about a gnostic choosing before you were born to believe later on . its saying to make what ever your service and calling/ ministry ect sure and that to mature do those things above . But not to remain saved by making sure your one of those who was elected. This is the Arminian version of Election which like the Calvinist version is equally false.
 
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Iconoclast said:
Calvinists do not believe in osas, but rather the biblical teaching of perseverance of the saints.
Not one who objects to these truths has accurately identified the correct teaching, but offer weak strawman caricatures.
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All calvinists take note here .
 
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Chris1975 said:
  • Election is -----> TRUE
  • All who are Elect inherit eternal life
  • Only God truly knows who the Elect are. Simply saying that you believe in Jesus Christ therefore you are elect doesnt quite make the grade due to the fact of the possibility of Apostasy.
  • To those who call theselves believers, to those who actually believe, we have the following verse: 2 Peter 1v10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  • What are these things mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 1v10 above? > Here they are: 1 Peter 2v5-9 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Running around with an OSAS mindset, yet not understanding that obedience to God is a commandment, is a sign you possibly may not in fact be elect at all.
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Could you demonstrate from the verses about how you arrived at ' election ' being the idea that firstly it means ' to be saved , or chosen to be saved ' and then imply it means we have to make our ' salvation' sure ( Make certain we know we are saved , or something like this ?)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Here it is, all put more succinctly.....

He shall never be clearly persuaded, as we ought to be, that our salvation flows from eternal election, which illumines God’s grace by this contrast: that he does not indiscriminately adopt all into the hope of salvation but gives to some what he denies to others.”

John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion p. 921
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Sickening hey....absolutely not of God!
 
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Some are set aside for God from a young age, I am evidence of that. My testimony is very long but it is what it is.
 
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