Chosen by God - A study in Election
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Yes his life saved not ours .That new life comes with the adoption . The better thing that acompanies his work of salvation in us.
The adoption is the new birth. The call to adoption.
As the bride of Christ previous widowed no husband and no heavenly father . James speaks of encouragement for the family of God to suffer with each other. the kind of religion he works to perform in the new creatures to love one another.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Same kind of parable spoken of in the old testament.
Zechariah 7:9-10 King James Version (KJV) Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
Salvation is all one work of the faith of Christ who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure .Philippians 1:6 informs us if he began the work he will finish it to the end. He is the alpha and omega .
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The adoption is the new birth. The call to adoption.
As the bride of Christ previous widowed no husband and no heavenly father . James speaks of encouragement for the family of God to suffer with each other. the kind of religion he works to perform in the new creatures to love one another.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Same kind of parable spoken of in the old testament.
Zechariah 7:9-10 King James Version (KJV) Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
Salvation is all one work of the faith of Christ who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure .Philippians 1:6 informs us if he began the work he will finish it to the end. He is the alpha and omega .
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
A lot of dubious parsing going on here, much of which I cannot possibly agree with.
But ultimately there are only 3 questions to be answered:
Did God save you by grace, or did you save yourself by works i.e. your choice? Was it God's will or your will? Does God get the glory for your salvation or do you share the glory?
Rom 11:32
"For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all."
Rom 11:4
But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Where these 7000 extra special in some way? Did they distinguish themselves in any way? Unlikely. The text clearly indicates that the Divine Will was the ONLY determining factor, God being merciful and gracious.
But ultimately there are only 3 questions to be answered:
Did God save you by grace, or did you save yourself by works i.e. your choice? Was it God's will or your will? Does God get the glory for your salvation or do you share the glory?
Rom 11:32
"For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all."
Rom 11:4
But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Where these 7000 extra special in some way? Did they distinguish themselves in any way? Unlikely. The text clearly indicates that the Divine Will was the ONLY determining factor, God being merciful and gracious.
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It is double predestination that is a false doctrine. Election is however boilerplate.
It is clear from Rom 9 that God is not choosing those to be damned. Why? God does not need to......they are condemned already (John 3:18).
This passage indicates that God is not moving on the condemned, He is simply leaving them as they are. Text does say that God (He) is the one who has "prepared some beforehand for glory"
Rom 9
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
It is clear from Rom 9 that God is not choosing those to be damned. Why? God does not need to......they are condemned already (John 3:18).
This passage indicates that God is not moving on the condemned, He is simply leaving them as they are. Text does say that God (He) is the one who has "prepared some beforehand for glory"
Rom 9
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
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23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
we are Adopted when we are Glorified.
Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
3. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
4. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
6. There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
7. Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
9. Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
10. When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
we are Adopted when we are Glorified.
Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
3. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
4. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
6. There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
7. Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
9. Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
10. When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
I am not a Calvinist.
The thrust of John chapter 3 is as follows:
No one has any choice whatsoever regarding their first birth. And Jesus Himself makes it perfectly clear that no one has any choice whatsoever regarding their second birth. Both are sovereign works of God, both an expression of His Will.
The thrust of John chapter 3 is as follows:
No one has any choice whatsoever regarding their first birth. And Jesus Himself makes it perfectly clear that no one has any choice whatsoever regarding their second birth. Both are sovereign works of God, both an expression of His Will.
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Were dealing with the basics here of Christianity. Simply put .The Order in which we are saved .
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1.13
And all this rubbish about freewill and philosophy to confuse people is cleared up completely by 1 cor 1.21 .
Its not about us . its about what pleases God . It pleases God to save those that he causes to believe? No . God is PLEASED to save those that believe .
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1.13
And all this rubbish about freewill and philosophy to confuse people is cleared up completely by 1 cor 1.21 .
Its not about us . its about what pleases God . It pleases God to save those that he causes to believe? No . God is PLEASED to save those that believe .
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Absolutely positively profoundly wrong.
All believers are saved (have been saved, already were saved) before the foundation of the world, long before we were born, before anything existed. The same can be said of the preordained sacrifice of Christ, His atonement being foreordained before the founding of the world.
How you can say that we are involved in an incident that happened before our birth is simply incorrect and ludicrous.
All believers are saved (have been saved, already were saved) before the foundation of the world, long before we were born, before anything existed. The same can be said of the preordained sacrifice of Christ, His atonement being foreordained before the founding of the world.
How you can say that we are involved in an incident that happened before our birth is simply incorrect and ludicrous.
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