"this generation will not pass away" - until the second coming of Jesus?

[Dino246]

You Deny A Future Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, Your A Full Preterist, Heresy In My Opinion.

End Of The World

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The word translated "world" in the KJV of Matthew 24:3 is the Greek word aion which means "age". The Greek word for "world" is kosmos.

 

[Truth7t7]

Fair question, but honestly I don't understand what you're reading here that contradicts what I'm saying. At this point they are around 37-38 years from the coming judgement Jesus is speaking of (funny enough a Jewish generation is 40 years), and no one knew the day or hour. How does this at all clash with what I'm saying? For the record I understand it supports your view as well, but what about this am I missing here?

Jimbone the entire chapter is devoted to (The Second Coming) (End Of The World)

I Will Highlight The Citations To This Claim?

Jimbone A few more questions?

1.) Do you believe in a future literal second coming of Jesus Christ to earth?

2.) Do you see any mention of a literal second coming of Jesus Christ mentioned in Matthew 24 below?

Matthew 24:1-51KJV
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Truth7t7]

The word translated "world" in the KJV of Matthew 24:3 is the Greek word aion which means "age". The Greek word for "world" is kosmos.

The English speaking world has been using the KJV for 409 years, it's been wrong this entire time

Perhaps the 54+ scholars that worked on the KJV need your correction

 

[soberxp]

The end of The world is end of usa,you don't wear a mask when you outside.
not end of china.LOL
Five million people were infected with the virus and 160000 died

Beautiful end of the "small world."
An evil government, a beast government

 

[Dino246]

The English speaking world has been using the KJV for 409 years, it's been wrong this entire time

Perhaps the 54+ scholars that worked on the KJV need your correction

If you prefer to base your eschatological view on a poorly translated word, you go right ahead.

 

[PlainWord]

You Deny A Future Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, Your A Full Preterist, Heresy In My Opinion.

End Of The World

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

No, look at the literal translation:

3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'

It's the same language in Mat 13:

39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is a full end of the age, and the reapers are messengers.

40 `As, then, the darnel is gathered up, and is burned with fire, so shall it be in the full end of this age,

The Mosaic Age ended with the Fall of the Temple.

What do we call someone who calls Christ a liar at worst or at best calls Him Ill-informed? That would be you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Fair question, but honestly I don't understand what you're reading here that contradicts what I'm saying. At this point they are around 37-38 years from the coming judgement Jesus is speaking of (funny enough a Jewish generation is 40 years), and no one knew the day or hour. How does this at all clash with what I'm saying? For the record I understand it supports your view as well, but what about this am I missing here?

Jimbone do you believe that the (Final Judgement) takes place at the appearance, second coming of Jesus Christ as seen below?

2 Timothy 4:1KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

 

[PlainWord]

The Kingdom Of God Spoken Of Was Established In The Resurrection, As The Context Of Scripture Clearly Teaches.

It Isn't Speaking Of The (Second Coming) As You (Falsely Suggest)

Mark 9:1-9KJV
1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

Do you have anything right??? I seriously doubt it. Christ was not expecting many of those (in contrast to some) to be dead when He came back down a short time later. TWIST AND TWIRL MY FRIEND. I notice you didn't address the other verse.

28 Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.'

When did Christ receive the kingdom? It wasn't when He came down the mountain. It was after His resurrection. After He went to Hades, He returned to Heaven and received authority over everything a la Dan 7.

Mat 28:
18 And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, `Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth;
19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days -- till the full end of the age.'

If you look back 2 chapters you see this:

64 Jesus saith to him, `Thou hast said; nevertheless I say to you, hereafter ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of the power, and coming upon the clouds, of the heaven.'

Again, this was after He came back from the mountain and just before the Cross so your theory fails BIG TIME!!

 

[PlainWord]

Jimbone do you believe that the (Final Judgement) takes place at the appearance, second coming of Jesus Christ as seen below?

2 Timothy 4:1KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

He is judging those in Hades 7t7. Remember He went to Hades to minister to them, then He went to heaven. Then He returned to His body. Then He returned to heaven. Then He came back in 70 AD and judged those in Hades. Now, per Heb 9:27, we are each judged upon our individual deaths.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, look at the literal translation:

3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'

It's the same language in Mat 13:

39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is a full end of the age, and the reapers are messengers.

40 `As, then, the darnel is gathered up, and is burned with fire, so shall it be in the full end of this age,

The Mosaic Age ended with the Fall of the Temple.

What do we call someone who calls Christ a liar at worst or at best calls Him Ill-informed? That would be you.

You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, how can you be taken seriously

As I remember, you also deny the future glorified bodily resurrection of the believer?

Even the Mormons and JW's believe in the Second Coming

You belief is lower than the cults in my opinion

 

[PlainWord]

The English speaking world has been using the KJV for 409 years, it's been wrong this entire time

Perhaps the 54+ scholars that worked on the KJV need your correction

Or perhaps they allowed their biases to effect their interpretations? They translated it correctly in Mat 13 so why did they do it wrong in Mat 24???

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Age of the Temple AKA Mosaic Age, AKA, the LAW.

Agreed

 

[PlainWord]

You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, how can you be taken seriously

Even the Mormons and JW's believe in the Second Coming

Key word, being "future." Otherwise we are in agreement. Again, Christ was a Preterist. I'll stick with Him.

 

[PlainWord]

Agreed

They understood it. Josephus records it:

5. So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the temple the next day, early in the morning, with his whole army, and to encamp round about the holy house. But as for that house, God had, for certain, long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages; it was the tenth day of the month Lous, [Ab].

 

[Truth7t7]

They understood it. Josephus records it:

5. So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the temple the next day, early in the morning, with his whole army, and to encamp round about the holy house. But as for that house, God had, for certain, long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages; it was the tenth day of the month Lous, [Ab].

Josephus was a Jewish traitor to his people, he was a propaganda journalist for the Roman Emperor's and Empire

Josephus was an adulterer, married several times, given the luxury of the Roman Empire in Women and Wealth.

Josephus would make Hitler's Propaganda Chief (Joseph Goebbels) blush.

 

[Dino246]

You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, how can you be taken seriously

As I remember, you also deny the future glorified bodily resurrection of the believer?

Even the Mormons and JW's believe in the Second Coming

You belief is lower than the cults in my opinion

Apparently you don't have a rational response to the "age"/"world" issue; you just throw stones and dismiss those who present truth to you.

That's a disgraceful attitude. Literally.

 

[PlainWord]

Josephus was a Jewish traitor to his people, he was a propaganda journalist for the Roman Emperor's and Empire

Josephus was an adulterer, married several times, given the luxury of the Roman Empire in Women and Wealth.

Josephus would make Hitler's Propaganda Chief (Joseph Goebbels) blush.

Nobody cares what you think about the man's character. He was the only eye witness that recorded those events. Besides, he was no traitor. God was on the side of Rome in that War. God intervened several times to help the Romans defeat those wicked Jews. If you knew your Bible, which you don't, you would know that God passed judgment on Israel for rejecting His Son and declaring Caesar their true king. God wanted Jerusalem destroyed and used the Romans to do it.

 

[PlainWord]

Apparently you don't have a rational response to the "age"/"world" issue; you just throw stones and dismiss those who present truth to you.

That's a disgraceful attitude. Literally.

That is what one does when the facts aren't on their side.

 

[Jimbone]

Jimbone the entire chapter is devoted to (The Second Coming) (End Of The World)

I Will Highlight The Citations To This Claim?

Jimbone A few more questions?

1.) Do you believe in a future literal second coming of Jesus Christ to earth?

2.) Do you see any mention of a literal second coming of Jesus Christ mentioned in Matthew 24 below?

Matthew 24:1-51KJV
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

#1 I'm not 100% on this honestly. I want to say yes, when He comes to present the fully redeemed creation to the Father and dwells with us forever.

# 2 I hesitate to say yes, but verse 30 says 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I'm not sure I have a total grasp on exactly what He means by this, or what exactly He's referencing either. I believe some of this happens for us personally when we die, but I'm starting to get into territory I haven't studied too deep yet, honestly this is about where I'm at now, I'm trying to see what he reveals to me about this subject. Specifically this verse and the ones that talk about Him dwelling with us forever. These things haven't clicked in my head yet. I've studied and learned a whole lot up to here, now I'm just continuing.

In 13-13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Can you tell me exactly what "END" He's speaking of here? The end of the world? Age? Our lives? Same question in 14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Exactly what end is He referencing here?

 

[PlainWord]

#1 I'm not 100% on this honestly. I want to say yes, when He comes to present the fully redeemed creation to the Father and dwells with us forever.

# 2 I hesitate to say yes, but verse 30 says 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I'm not sure I have a total grasp on exactly what He means by this, or what exactly He's referencing either. I believe some of this happens for us personally when we die, but I'm starting to get into territory I haven't studied too deep yet, honestly this is about where I'm at now, I'm trying to see what he reveals to me about this subject. Specifically this verse and the ones that talk about Him dwelling with us forever. These things haven't clicked in my head yet. I've studied and learned a whole lot up to here, now I'm just continuing.

In 13-13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Can you tell me exactly what "END" He's speaking of here? The end of the world? Age? Our lives? Same question in 14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Exactly what end is He referencing here?

The end of the Jewish age, His covenant with them. The final destruction of Israel was foretold all the way back in Deuteronomy. It was in all their sacred writings.