"this generation will not pass away" - until the second coming of Jesus?

[Truth7t7]

Wow you just proved my point 1000%, see how much you're ADDING to scripture to make it say what you want it to say? There's no denying because you're doing right here. I don't think you've even addressed my point at all because all you're doing to counter my claim, that you HAVE to add to scripture to come up with your interpretation of Matt 24:34, is adding more to scripture. I do not know why you can't see this. It just simply does NOT say what you claim without ADDING TO what it actually says. What you claim it says doesn't even make any sense at all in any way, in context. If you stop look and think for a second you'll see that you've given NO argument at all to support your point other than your assertion and tradition. That's just true. Until you can see and admit that to go from-

Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

to

Truly I tell you, the generation that see's these things, will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

You literally HAVE to add words to it. To deny it is completely irrational and denying reality. I don't care why you're adding to it, or how you're adding to it, that makes no difference in my point. Whether your right about this or I am has no bearing on my point here. My only point here is to get you to see, admit, and understand my point that you have to add to His word to make it mean what you say it means. When there are literally more words in what you say it means than what is actually written, simple addition and common sense dictate that there is more, or YOU ADDED TO IT. That simple. Deny this and I can only conclude you're not here at all to have a conversation, only to teach and "be right" all the time. No point in speaking with that, so please let me know without further adding to His word to make it fit your narrative.

You wrote three chapters claiming I have (Added) to scripture, without giving mention to one point?

(Daniels Abomination Of Desolation) causes (The Great Tribulation) Jesus Christ Will Return Immediately After This (Future) Tribulation.

The Day And Hour (No Man Knows)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It appears you haven't learned the parable of the fig tree?

When the (Future) generation sees all the signs mentioned?

(Know That It Is Near, Even At The Doors)

What Is Near, (The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens)

No Man Knows The Day And Hour Of This Second Coming, You Falsely Claim The Signs Have Come And Gone In 70AD

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

As stated, you believe a physical temple of stone was to be destroyed just as the Pharisees believed, but the temple destroyed was the body of Jesus, and at the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the temple of stone in Jerusalem was removed, the veil was rent at death, gone in the (Spiritual Realm) and replaced by the New Testament in the (Blood On Calvary)!

John 2:22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[PlainWord]

Matthew 24:27-31; Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28:
[explains about second coming of Jesus]

Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32:
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

Does it mean that, the second coming (as explained in Matt 24:27-31) was expected during the same generation when Jesus lived?

That is correct but it is important to know that it was the PRESENCE (parousia) of Christ which was to return during the Jewish War with Rome and not a visible, earthly return as many incorrectly conclude.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Okay, let me see if I understand your point.

Are you saying that the references to "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" in Matthew 13 (several references to this phrase) are themselves each speaking of events [possibly / potentially] several thousands of years apart? Like, in one instance (in Matt13) it refers to the events surrounding 70ad, and in another instance (in Matt13) it refers to events "far-future"? Or are you meaning something else? (my apologies for my dense-ness )

I don't think the disciples ever thought that there would be a final end, but believed that Jesus would one day return and rule the earth forever. And it may have been what they meant when they said the end of the age and his return. Jesus however answered it differently, which isn't very uncommon, answering them with a warning of what was coming in their time, and then answering about his return.
A phrase can take on different meanings when used in different context. We do this all the time. The consummation of the the age, well what age, the age of humanity, the age of the temple? Context matters.

 

[PlainWord]

You remove my presented scripture in your response, why?

Because it Clearly Presents The Truth

The (Second Coming)!

(They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming)!

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

and if you read the companion passage of Luke 21 you will see that it is indeed during the Jewish War with Rome as that was the next time Jerusalem was surrounded by armies.

 

[PlainWord]

I don't think the disciples ever thought that there would be a final end, but believed that Jesus would one day return and rule the earth forever. And it may have been what they meant when they said the end of the age and his return. Jesus however answered it differently, which isn't very uncommon, answering them with a warning of what was coming in their time, and then answering about his return.
A phrase can take on different meanings when used in different context. We do this all the time. The consummation of the the age, well what age, the age of humanity, the age of the temple? Context matters.

Age of the Temple AKA Mosaic Age, AKA, the LAW.

 

[PlainWord]

You wrote three chapters claiming I have (Added) to scripture, without giving mention to one point?

(Daniels Abomination Of Desolation) causes (The Great Tribulation) Jesus Christ Will Return Immediately After This (Future) Tribulation.

The Day And Hour (No Man Knows)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It appears you haven't learned the parable of the fig tree?

When the (Future) generation sees all the signs mentioned?

(Know That It Is Near, Even At The Doors)

What Is Near, (The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens)

No Man Knows The Day And Hour Of This Second Coming, You Falsely Claim The Signs Have Come And Gone In 70AD

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

As stated, you believe a physical temple of stone was to be destroyed just as the Pharisees believed, but the temple destroyed was the body of Jesus, and at the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the temple of stone in Jerusalem was removed, the veil was rent at death, gone in the (Spiritual Realm) and replaced by the New Testament in the (Blood On Calvary)!

John 2:22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

How do you explain these verses which narrow His return down to His generation?

Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 16:28
Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

The futurist view defies scripture.

 

[Jimbone]

You wrote three chapters claiming I have (Added) to scripture, without giving mention to one point?

(Daniels Abomination Of Desolation) causes (The Great Tribulation) Jesus Christ Will Return Immediately After This (Future) Tribulation.

The Day And Hour (No Man Knows)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It appears you haven't learned the parable of the fig tree?

When the (Future) generation sees all the signs mentioned?

(Know That It Is Near, Even At The Doors)

What Is Near, (The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens)

No Man Knows The Day And Hour Of This Second Coming, You Falsely Claim The Signs Have Come And Gone In 70AD

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

As stated, you believe a physical temple of stone was to be destroyed just as the Pharisees believed, but the temple destroyed was the body of Jesus, and at the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the temple of stone in Jerusalem was removed, the veil was rent at death, gone in the (Spiritual Realm) and replaced by the New Testament in the (Blood On Calvary)!

John 2:22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

You're not listening and denying that 1+1=2. I have no idea how to communicate with you because your answers are just so far off what I'm saying that it's weird. You are adding to His word, I broke it down for you as simply as I can, it's right in your face and you just act like you don't get it.

Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

This is 29 words
to
you say this means this-

Truly I tell you, the generation that see's these things, will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

This is 33 words. You can NOT/ deny you're adding to it. You have to to get it to mean what you are saying it does. If you can't understand, address, and admit this head on I have no more time to explain to you how you're denying objective truth shown right to your face.

Also all these verses you're highlighting to back up your point completely support what I'm saying too. All these things were future to them still when this was written, so trying to point out the fact He was saying this stuff was "to come" still makes perfect sense with my view and in no way refutes what either of us is saying. It was in the future to the people He was speaking to in both cases.

 

[garee]

I know the day and Hour ,2008=2+0+0+8=10.10.10 am 12
十 is ten in Chinese
十 十 十
Jesus disaster Friday

Tens in multiples of hundreds, thousands and ten thousands are used to describe a unknown as a faith principle throughout the Bible.

God desires we walk by faith. . not by sight numbering days or people. Mankind is quick to fill in the number . Like 144,000 a unknown to represent all who have been redeemed by Christ. Many sect claim they are the 144,000.

Interestingly it is used in the same way even when coupled with other metaphors like 8. . that which indicates going on that which is required . used with ten.= Eighteen .Again to represent all as a unknown . The word eighteen in the Greek is deca (ten)

In that way 18 is used in the same way as 144,000. or the eighteen years to indicate the whole time the person was crippled. Again a unknown .

Luke 13:4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

Luke 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

 

[soberxp]

do not use bible against bible!
I know the day and Hour 2008=2+0+0+8=10.10.10 am 12
十 is ten in Chinese
十 十 十
Jesus disaster Friday
that day 2008.10.10 AM12:00 IS Friday
DO YOUR GOOGLE SEARCH!

when Jesus on The cross,there are two person on another two cross.

The fact is here.you can't deny.AM I use 12 years to tell you lie from 2008.10.10

 

[Truth7t7]

You're not listening and denying that 1+1=2. I have no idea how to communicate with you because your answers are just so far off what I'm saying that it's weird. You are adding to His word, I broke it down for you as simply as I can, it's right in your face and you just act like you don't get it.

Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

This is 29 words
to
you say this means this-

Truly I tell you, the generation that see's these things, will not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

This is 33 words. You can NOT/ deny you're adding to it. You have to to get it to mean what you are saying it does. If you can't understand, address, and admit this head on I have no more time to explain to you how you're denying objective truth shown right to your face.

Also all these verses you're highlighting to back up your point completely support what I'm saying too. All these things were future to them still when this was written, so trying to point out the fact He was saying this stuff was "to come" still makes perfect sense with my view and in no way refutes what either of us is saying. It was in the future to the people He was speaking to in both cases.

Very Simple Question, What Is The Day And Hour No Man Knows Below?

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[PlainWord]

Jesus Predicts the End of the Age (not world)

Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Mat 13: 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ...39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Josephus records the exact fulfillment of these prophetic words:

3. Now the number of those that were carried captive during this whole war was collected to be ninety-seven thousand; as was the number of those that perished during the whole siege eleven hundred thousand, the greater part of whom were indeed of the same nation [with the citizens of Jerusalem], but not belonging to the city itself; for they were come up from all the country to the feast of unleavened bread, and were on a sudden shut up by an army, which, at the very first, occasioned so great a straitness among them, that there came a pestilential destruction upon them, and soon afterward such a famine, as destroyed them more suddenly. And that this city could contain so many people in it, is manifest by that number of them which was taken under Cestius, who being desirous of informing Nero of the power of the city, who otherwise was disposed to contemn that nation, entreated the high priests, if the thing were possible, to take the number of their whole multitude. So these high priests, upon the coming of that feast which is called the Passover, when they slay their sacrifices, from the ninth hour till the eleventh, but so that a company not less than ten belong to every sacrifice, (for it is not lawful for them to feast singly by themselves,) and many of us are twenty in a company, found the number of sacrifices was two hundred and fifty-six thousand five hundred; which, upon the allowance of no more than ten that feast together, amounts to two millions seven hundred thousand and two hundred persons that were pure and holy; for as to those that have the leprosy, or the gonorrhea, or women that have their monthly courses, or such as are otherwise polluted, it is not lawful for them to be partakers of this sacrifice; nor indeed for any foreigners neither, who come hither to worship.

4. Now this vast multitude is indeed collected out of remote places, but the entire nation was now shut up by fate as in prison, and the Roman army encompassed the city when it was crowded with inhabitants. Accordingly, the multitude of those that therein perished exceeded all the destructions that either men or God ever brought upon the world...

Josephus agrees with Jesus that this was the worst tribulation (suffering) the world has ever seen.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you explain these verses which narrow His return down to His generation?

Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 16:28
Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

The futurist view defies scripture.

The Kingdom Of God Spoken Of Was Established In The Resurrection, As The Context Of Scripture Clearly Teaches.

It Isn't Speaking Of The (Second Coming) As You (Falsely Suggest)

Mark 9:1-9KJV
1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus Predicts the End of the Age (not world)

Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Mat 13: 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ...39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Josephus records the exact fulfillment of these prophetic words:

3. Now the number of those that were carried captive during this whole war was collected to be ninety-seven thousand; as was the number of those that perished during the whole siege eleven hundred thousand, the greater part of whom were indeed of the same nation [with the citizens of Jerusalem], but not belonging to the city itself; for they were come up from all the country to the feast of unleavened bread, and were on a sudden shut up by an army, which, at the very first, occasioned so great a straitness among them, that there came a pestilential destruction upon them, and soon afterward such a famine, as destroyed them more suddenly. And that this city could contain so many people in it, is manifest by that number of them which was taken under Cestius, who being desirous of informing Nero of the power of the city, who otherwise was disposed to contemn that nation, entreated the high priests, if the thing were possible, to take the number of their whole multitude. So these high priests, upon the coming of that feast which is called the Passover, when they slay their sacrifices, from the ninth hour till the eleventh, but so that a company not less than ten belong to every sacrifice, (for it is not lawful for them to feast singly by themselves,) and many of us are twenty in a company, found the number of sacrifices was two hundred and fifty-six thousand five hundred; which, upon the allowance of no more than ten that feast together, amounts to two millions seven hundred thousand and two hundred persons that were pure and holy; for as to those that have the leprosy, or the gonorrhea, or women that have their monthly courses, or such as are otherwise polluted, it is not lawful for them to be partakers of this sacrifice; nor indeed for any foreigners neither, who come hither to worship.

4. Now this vast multitude is indeed collected out of remote places, but the entire nation was now shut up by fate as in prison, and the Roman army encompassed the city when it was crowded with inhabitants. Accordingly, the multitude of those that therein perished exceeded all the destructions that either men or God ever brought upon the world...

Josephus agrees with Jesus that this was the worst tribulation (suffering) the world has ever seen.

You Deny A Future Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, Your A Full Preterist, Heresy In My Opinion.

End Of The World

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Dino246]

In that way 18 is used in the same way as 144,000. or the eighteen years to indicate the whole time the person was crippled. Again a unknown .

Luke 13:4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

Luke 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

Clearly, you don't believe the words of Jesus Himsef. He said, "eighteen years" and you read, "a (sic) unknown". It's little wonder that your "interpretive method" leaves you with so many wacky ideas.

Maybe you're capable of learning this simple rule: you use the word, "an" when the next word begins with a vowel.

You might have a horse, a car, or a book; but you have an egg, an elephant, and an unknown quantity of elohim.

 

[Truth7t7]

Clearly, you don't believe the words of Jesus Himsef. He said, "eighteen years" and you read, "a (sic) unknown". It's little wonder that your "interpretive method" leaves you with so many wacky ideas.

Maybe you're capable of learning this simple rule: you use the word, "an" when the next word begins with a vowel.

You might have a horse, a car, or a book; but you have an egg, an elephant, and an unknown quantity of elohim.

Your responses are nothing more than a (Bully) on the school playground.

Quote Dino246: You don't believe the words of Jesus Himself?

Your famous quote, as if you hold all truth and knowledge, Big Smiles

Your degrading personal attacks remind me of the liberal democrats in America, that don't have a leg to stand on in their claims.

 

[Dino246]

The Kingdom Of God Spoken Of Was Established In The Resurrection, As The Context Of Scripture Clearly Teaches.

It Isn't Speaking Of The (Second Coming) As You (Falsely Suggest)

A minor issue:

You are using brackets incorrectly. They are not used to emphasize words. Rather, use "quotations", italics, underlining, or bold font. Of course, the latter would require you to use regular font for the rest of your posts (which would be appropriate).

If you use brackets (like this) you are saying that the words in the brackets can be ignored because they are secondary information.

 

[Dino246]

Your responses are nothing more than a (Bully) on the school playground.

Bullies don't teach; they just attack. I try to teach him... and you, because there are things that each of you doesn't know.

If you can't handle being corrected, that's on you. There is no need for you to protect other contributors from simple correction.

 

[Jimbone]

Very Simple Question, What Is The Day And Hour No Man Knows Below?

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Fair question, but honestly I don't understand what you're reading here that contradicts what I'm saying. At this point they are around 37-38 years from the coming judgement Jesus is speaking of (funny enough a Jewish generation is 40 years), and no one knew the day or hour. How does this at all clash with what I'm saying? For the record I understand it supports your view as well, but what about this am I missing here?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

TheDivineWatermark said:
Okay, let me see if I understand your point.

Are you saying that the references to "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" in Matthew 13 (several references to this phrase) are themselves each speaking of events [possibly / potentially] several thousands of years apart? Like, in one instance (in Matt13) it refers to the events surrounding 70ad, and in another instance (in Matt13) it refers to events "far-future"? Or are you meaning something else? (my apologies for my dense-ness )

[note: to be clear, in the above post, I'm merely endeavoring to find out how you see the passage (Matt13) and its repeated phrase "the end [singular] of the age [singular]," whether this refers to one point in time, or several different points in time, based on your previous post... so that I can consider your viewpoint on it, to the end that it might convince me to your way of seeing it. Thus far, I'm not even really grasping how you see it... yet = ) This is why I asked for clarification.]

I don't think the disciples ever thought that there would be a final end, but believed that Jesus would one day return and rule the earth forever. And it may have been what they meant when they said the end of the age and his return. Jesus however answered it differently, which isn't very uncommon, answering them with a warning of what was coming in their time, and then answering about his return.
A phrase can take on different meanings when used in different context. We do this all the time. The consummation of the the age, well what age, the age of humanity, the age of the temple? Context matters.

I agree with you that context matters. And I agree with you (basically) that the disciples were expecting Jesus' "reign" on the earth, and wondered "when?"

When Jesus had spoken the Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 section (re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"), He had ALREADY spoken to them about "the age [singular] to come" in Matthew 12:32, which I believe they RIGHTLY UNDERSTOOD to be in reference to [what we now call] "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" (i.e. His "reign" on [/over] the earth). So, I agree they were not asking Him ANYTHING about "the end of the WORLD" (or "the end of TIME" or the like). No. They correctly understood that "the age [singular] to come" [what we now call the MK age] FOLLOWS "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (and Jesus is answering their Q of Him on that Subject [Matt24:3] in the Olivet Discourse [His response in the text which follows their Q, and in both chpts of Matt24 & 25...and in parts of Lk21 (except vv.12-24a/b [which are ALONE-->]re: the 70ad events)... and in Mk13:5-37], IOW, He is describing what will immediately precede "the age [singular] to come" He'd ALREADY just mentioned in chpt 12 (which is "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" they CORRECTLY "expected" [i.e. promised to Israel], but they did not understand the TIMING of the "when" of it).





[again, I apologize for still not grasping whether you view "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... its few/several occurrences there, refer to ONE point in the chronology, or SEVERAL DISTINCT points in the chronology... nor do I grasp if you believe the angels already did the "REAP" thing (re: wheat / tares [separation]), in 70ad, or not. Thanks.]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Can you show me this two separate see-then-flee events? I am very much ready to learn about this.

Sure, I can try to come back late tonight after I put something together... but lemme ask you... do you grasp what I've already put in my Posts #126 and #130? (if so, could you perhaps supply a very brief summary of what you think my basic point is, there, so I can take my next post from there as a starting point... as opposed to rehashing everything thus far [if you already grasp some of it]... would save me some typing . Thanks! [if you care to])