Predestination.
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You mean like using His GPS 
The bible teaches you choose in one case
Then it teaches God chose in another.
If both have to be true the questions become how do you choose and how did God choose.
I see no other option that satisfies both without denying one or the other.
It not like you have free will and then Jesus forces himself on you. What kind of love would that be?
The bible teaches you choose in one case
Then it teaches God chose in another.
If both have to be true the questions become how do you choose and how did God choose.
I see no other option that satisfies both without denying one or the other.
It not like you have free will and then Jesus forces himself on you. What kind of love would that be?
I'm appreciating your approach, but I'm trying to track what your saying to specific verses and context . I think all Christians pretty much acknowledge that God knows all things . Well there's some issues with open theism of course . And a calvinist would say the reason God knows is because He has determined whatsoever comes to pass .
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I think its best to avoid the Philosophy of it . The bible clearly shows we can freely respond positively to God . We are commanded to choose and believe over and over . I dont believe the bible is asking of things we cannot do or respond to regurading Salvation. Then the bible is clear God knows all things . I don't belive the bible says because he Knows that this is causative.
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it is just over complicated man made thinking that causes problems.
Is anyone more worthy then another?
God only chooses the good ones?
Perhaps only the real bad ones?
Is God just randomly choosing?
Without reason or care for individual people?
Does God force Himself on some and not on others?
Does God woo some and not try to woo everyone?
Perhaps Gods wooing was unsuccessful for the unbelievers?
Perhaps He just dident want them?
Is sharing the Gospel just a needles thing that we only do to obey since the predestine are predestine?
Man made thinking leads to such confusion.
NO!
The choice is yours and mine.
God gave it to us when He created us in Adam.
The work of the Gospel is yours and mine.
God gave it to us when He created us in Christ Jesus.
In creating us He predestined us to our choices, knowing before hand what they would be.
But for the sake of those who would chose life, God and Jesus and now we too choose to suffer and endure those who would not for the sake of those who would become part of our family of God.
Is anyone more worthy then another?
God only chooses the good ones?
Perhaps only the real bad ones?
Is God just randomly choosing?
Without reason or care for individual people?
Does God force Himself on some and not on others?
Does God woo some and not try to woo everyone?
Perhaps Gods wooing was unsuccessful for the unbelievers?
Perhaps He just dident want them?
Is sharing the Gospel just a needles thing that we only do to obey since the predestine are predestine?
Man made thinking leads to such confusion.
NO!
The choice is yours and mine.
God gave it to us when He created us in Adam.
The work of the Gospel is yours and mine.
God gave it to us when He created us in Christ Jesus.
In creating us He predestined us to our choices, knowing before hand what they would be.
But for the sake of those who would chose life, God and Jesus and now we too choose to suffer and endure those who would not for the sake of those who would become part of our family of God.
One could take this a step further. All names are written in the Book of Life until they are blotted out for unbelief, sin, and wickedness.
31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy Book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exod 32:31-33)
31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy Book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exod 32:31-33)
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It is implied in the verse provided. Christians need to understand that many things are implied in Scripture.
Who did God say would be blotted out of His Book? Those that sin against Him. And why are names found written in the Book of Life? Because those individuals have received the gift of eternal life. Who are those whose names are NOT written in the Book of Life?
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death... For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie... And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 21:8; 22:15;20:15)
Who did God say would be blotted out of His Book? Those that sin against Him. And why are names found written in the Book of Life? Because those individuals have received the gift of eternal life. Who are those whose names are NOT written in the Book of Life?
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death... For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie... And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 21:8; 22:15;20:15)