The serious errors of Oneness/United Pentecostals

[Lion222]

To me Oneness is about that union between Jesus the man and His God and Father.
How it was a union that was perfected through sufferings and a total oneness of spirit.
Kind of Like an old married couple finishing each others sentences, in a good way.
The oneness He prayed for us to have that same oneness He had with the Spirit of God.
The Spirit of Christ which is the Spirit of God which is the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit that is united to our spirits making us born again.

 

[Nehemiah6]

To me Oneness is about that union between Jesus the man and His God and Father.

That is not entirely what Oneness/Pentecostalism is about. So if you belong to this group you have a serious problem. Jesus said that He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. He also said that He and His Father are one. He also said that is any man had seen Him, he had seen the Father.

BTW "Jesus the man" was also "Jesus the God" at the same time. His God and Father specifically called Him "God" so that no one would have an excuse or any doubt about the truth of the matter.

 

[Lion222]

Are you Oneness Pentecostal? If not, which religion and/or denomination do you affiliate with?

So, you don't believe that God was manifested in the flesh and purchased His Church with His own blood?

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans
and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you

I have left them all in the dust.
No more divisions for me built on top of the precepts of men.

Just the child of God.
Part of the one Family of God.
Living by the Spirit of God.
Holding to the word of God.

Their are not going to be any Catholics or Baptist or Pentecostal seating sections in heaven.

 

[Scribe]

Are you Oneness Pentecostal? If not, which religion and/or denomination do you affiliate with?

So, you don't believe that God was manifested in the flesh and purchased His Church with His own blood?

He is not oneness. Oneness teaches that when Jesus was praying in the Garden there was not actually a Father in heaven to hear him.

 

[Lion222]

That is not entirely what Oneness/Pentecostalism is about. So if you belong to this group you have a serious problem. Jesus said that He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. He also said that He and His Father are one. He also said that is any man had seen Him, he had seen the Father.

BTW "Jesus the man" was also "Jesus the God" at the same time. His God and Father specifically called Him "God" so that no one would have an excuse or any doubt about the truth of the matter.

Yeah I get that. But that is what the bible is talking about, so it is why I was confused by the man made doctrine.
Gods world is more then enough don't you think?

 

[Lion222]

He is not oneness. Oneness teaches that when Jesus was praying in the Garden there was not actually a Father in heaven to hear him.

Its a funny picture, cause it has the feeling of what a lot of prayers feel like when you are in a very dark place.
From the bit I read on Wikipedia about Oneness that is not what they really believe.
But Im no expert.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Gods [Word] is more then enough don't you think?

Correct. God's Word should be sufficient. Unfortunately, Scripture has been either misunderstood or deliberately misinterpreted by many. Thus we have all the unbiblical teachings within Christendom.

 

[Scribe]

Its a funny picture, cause it has the feeling of what a lot of prayers feel like when you are in a very dark place.
From the bit I read on Wikipedia about Oneness that is not what they really believe.
But Im no expert.

It sounds crazy so they say it with trickery and use phrases like how you have to have secret revelation but they do believe that Jesus only prayed for the sake of his disciples and that the voice from heaven is Jesus doing it for the disciples to have an example of prayer but that that when Jesus was on earth there was no Father in heaven. This is what United Pentecostal Church in Christ believe and I have been able to lead some out of it in relationships face to face through the years, I have never engaged with any online. I don't think it is very effective trying to deprogram someone online.

 

[J-T]

To me Oneness is about that union between Jesus the man and His God and Father.
How it was a union that was perfected through sufferings and a total oneness of spirit.
Kind of Like an old married couple finishing each others sentences, in a good way.
The oneness He prayed for us to have that same oneness He had with the Spirit of God.
The Spirit of Christ which is the Spirit of God which is the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit that is united to our spirits making us born again.

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Have you paused to consider what Apostle Paul wrote concerning Who Jesus Christ is and what Jesus did? What did Apostle Paul write by inspiration of The Holy Spirit?
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1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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Will you consider these verses of scripture with those that I previously shared to understand that Jesus Christ truly is God?;
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1John 5:7 is self explanatory in reply to 1John 5:10-11 and is why the Occult hates this verse and passage. Also, hence the precise way & manner *John 1:1-3 is written.
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1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.


1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
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*John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

*John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

*John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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Hebrews 1:8-9 quoted from Psalm 102:25-27 PROPHECY FULFILLED!
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Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
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Hebrews 1:10-12 quoted from Psalm 45:6-7 PROPHECY FULFILLED!
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Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Hebrews 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

Hebrews 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
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Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalms 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
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Psalms 102:24 I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

Psalms 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Psalms 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

Psalms 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

 

[Lion222]

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Have you paused to consider what Apostle Paul wrote concerning Who Jesus Christ is and what Jesus did? What did Apostle Paul write by inspiration of The Holy Spirit?
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1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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Will you consider these verses of scripture with those that I previously shared to understand that Jesus Christ truly is God?;
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Well of course Jesus is God, silly.
How could Jesus not be God if He was born of God?

Manifest means to make clear or make visible.
It is just like saying Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of God.

 

[Lion222]

It sounds crazy so they say it with trickery and use phrases like how you have to have secret revelation but they do believe that Jesus only prayed for the sake of his disciples and that the voice from heaven is Jesus doing it for the disciples to have an example of prayer but that that when Jesus was on earth there was no Father in heaven. This is what United Pentecostal Church in Christ believe and I have been able to lead some out of it in relationships face to face through the years, I have never engaged with any online. I don't think it is very effective trying to deprogram someone online.

The blind are blind because they close their eyes.
The def are def because they close their ears.
God multiplies the direction we take, closing our eyes and closing our ears so we would not see in our pride, but die in it if we continue in it.

You can at best: testify to the truth, embody the truth and bring the light of the Spirit of Truth with you wherever you go.
Its revelation within others is beyond our business.
Its defense is beyond our business.
In fact man defending God is laughable.
It is a very very SMALL God that needs to be defended by a man.
It is a very very GREAT man that can defend god.

You live the truth so you have the power of it,
then you testify to the truth, (which includes explaining what you believe and why)
then stand ready to love and suffer.
Then your done.
If that is not enough, move on.
It is so easy to slip into the trap of arguing with people who don't want to know.
Contend with those who do see so they can see better. They will thank you for it.

 

[Lion222]

It sounds crazy so they say it with trickery and use phrases like how you have to have secret revelation but they do believe that Jesus only prayed for the sake of his disciples and that the voice from heaven is Jesus doing it for the disciples to have an example of prayer but that that when Jesus was on earth there was no Father in heaven. This is what United Pentecostal Church in Christ believe and I have been able to lead some out of it in relationships face to face through the years, I have never engaged with any online. I don't think it is very effective trying to deprogram someone online.

I would hope not.
You don't think they are genuine/truthful in their belief?

 

[just_truth]

Please clarify your position as to who you believe Jesus to be and/also who you believe Jesus not to be.

I firmly believe that Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty in the flesh. Do you deny that Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty in the flesh? Do you deny that Jesus Christ is God? What do you believe the verse means per Jesus' not yet being glorified? Please expound with your answers, using your own words. I don't mind if you would like to share a few quotes from your Oneness Pentecostal literature that you believe to support your beliefs. Another question that I have is, what is the preferred Bible translation for Oneness Pentecostals?

Jesus that His own Divinity

 

[just_truth]

Please clarify your position as to who you believe Jesus to be and/also who you believe Jesus not to be.

I firmly believe that Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty in the flesh. Do you deny that Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty in the flesh? Do you deny that Jesus Christ is God? What do you believe the verse means per Jesus' not yet being glorified? Please expound with your answers, using your own words. I don't mind if you would like to share a few quotes from your Oneness Pentecostal literature that you believe to support your beliefs. Another question that I have is, what is the preferred Bible translation for Oneness Pentecostals?

Jesus that His own Divinity is the Father.

He was not yet glorified when He was still yet in the status of humanity, when He fully turns into Holy Spirit his full glorification comes.

When Jesus says the glory I had with you, He is referring when He was still in the plan of God, just like He was slain Lamb since from the foundation of the world.

KJV my preferred translation, but not all times.

 

[J-T]

Jesus that His own Divinity is the Father.

He was not yet glorified when He was still yet in the status of humanity, when He fully turns into Holy Spirit his full glorification comes.

When Jesus says the glory I had with you, He is referring when He was still in the plan of God, just like He was slain Lamb since from the foundation of the world.

KJV my preferred translation, but not all times.

Ok, I see that you do not believe that Jesus rose bodily, meaning that His body was not resurrected, but instead simply raised as a spirit being. Can you explain what happened to Jesus' body? Where did the body go?

In the meantime, will you please consider these verses in the context that they are written? What did Jesus' disciples believe that you don't? What did the remember and why?
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John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[tourist]

Are you Oneness Pentecostal? If not, which religion and/or denomination do you affiliate with?

So, you don't believe that God was manifested in the flesh and purchased His Church with His own blood?

Apparently, Oneness Pentecostals, what ever that refers to, aren't Christian either.

 

[SoulWeaver]

SERIOUS DOCTRINAL ERRORS
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[2] Oneness Pentecostals practice Jesus' Name Baptism—water baptisms performed in the name of Jesus Christ, rather than that of the Trinity. [Note: This is a rejection of the very words of Christ regarding baptism in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost]

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

How do you claim they deviate from the Bible on this one? If you criticize them, be fair.

Also:
1 John 2:23 Everyone denying the Son does not have the Father. The one confessing the Son has the Father also.
1 John 4:2 By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

If they are baptized confessing the name of Jesus Christ, they are also baptized in the name of Father and Holy Spirit, because confessing the Son is, as said in the verses above, inseparable from Father and the Spirit. Otherwise the Bible would not command to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, too. It must be equal outcome to baptizing in the name of all three, since the Bible cannot contradict itself.

I won't discuss other points of your post, I actually agree with some things you said there, but this one is imo a big miss.

I am not any kind of Pentacostal.

 

[Blade]

You know I can see the trinity and I can also see just ONE GOD! When Christ says if you seen me you seen the Father.. He can not lie. When He said they are ONE.. not just some saying. He can not lie. They are ONE.

So much of this just gets silly. Were talking about A GOD and a book that is ONLY what we need here. No more no less. And we as man are going to what explain what GOD really is?

And some Christian group that believes different then how you personally believe are not just wrong in some errors no no.. they are a CULT! You know like some talk about Word of Faith? Yeah.. saying Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin and was buried and rose the 3rd day and is the only way to the Father <--this no long is good enough. They must pass how some personally believe.. oh pfft. Forgive me..

 

[Lion222]

They should have just trusted in the sufficiency of the word of God and the Spirit of God.
Did you know that the creed that led to the trinity doctrine came with civil penalties if you did not agree?
You either complied or you where declared anathema and lost everything and where banished from the country forced to live in exile.
Then the other side got power and did the very same thing.
Then it switched back again.
Nothing Christ like about the whole mess.

 

[Lion222]

It sounds crazy so they say it with trickery and use phrases like how you have to have secret revelation but they do believe that Jesus only prayed for the sake of his disciples and that the voice from heaven is Jesus doing it for the disciples to have an example of prayer but that that when Jesus was on earth there was no Father in heaven. This is what United Pentecostal Church in Christ believe and I have been able to lead some out of it in relationships face to face through the years, I have never engaged with any online. I don't think it is very effective trying to deprogram someone online.

Yeah hard enough deprogramming yourself.
Thank God for His Spirit to guide us.
IDK I guess just best to live it, that thing they say they want or have but don't really.