My take on water baptism...

[tourist]

You posted quite a few scriptures that said they did baptize. Of course it meant water. Even Paul talked about it saying...

or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:

Now you know yourself that when he said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius and the household of Stephanas, he was talking about water baptism.

I am not going to waste anymore time with you. You are not being intellectually honest and it is obvious.

Phillip baptized a eunuch with water.

Acts 8:38
And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him

 

[peldom10]

So what happen if a new believer decline water baptism? Is he still saved?

You mean...born again..right?
No one is saved until God passes judgment which is done after physical death.-

The answer is no...he has not completed the sin cleansing process.
If in doubt start with Acts 2;38 and many more...search.

 

[Guojing]

You mean...born again..right?
No one is saved until God passes judgment which is done after physical death.-

The answer is no...he has not completed the sin cleansing process.
If in doubt start with Acts 2;38 and m,any more...search.

Interesting, so are you saying you believe that no one can be assured of his salvation, while he is still living on this Earth?

What does it depend on then, other than water baptism?

 

[Scribe]

You mean...born again..right?
No one is saved until God passes judgment which is done after physical death.-

1 John 5:13, KJV: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God

You can know that you are saved/have eternal life right now.

 

[peldom10]

Interesting, so are you saying you believe that no one can be assured of his salvation, while he is still living on this Earth?

What does it depend on then, other than water baptism?

Nope...that is a totally different issue.

Repentance, baptism and compliance with God's commandments..."until the end"......
We are ..."born again"...while on this earth. How can anyone say that they are...saved...while on this earth.
Remember scriptures.....'it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgement"......
Further,...ed .....(saved) means history, sealed in concrete, forever, etc. That would usurpt God's plan to judge and award eternal salvation....I doubt He appreciates that.

 

[soggykitten]

Hes not saved. NEXT.

If someone CLAIMS to believe in Jesus, I walk up to them and say hey, wanna get baptized RIGHT NOW? Put em on the spot and they say NO. Thats already a red flag, if you press the issue and they say no no no no no no never. Then 100% unsaved. Bet your life on it

Is taking Communion mandatory to be saved?

 

[soggykitten]

Oh see... I'm not the first to say water baptism means nothing.

You're not Pastor Art Watkins then? That means two people are wrong on that matter then.

 

[Laish]

Are you telling me Irenaeus was not Catholic? And believe you me I have done a lot of studying on the Scriptures which I know well.

Well Irenaeus is Catholic like Peter was the first Pope .
Ok about the bold what does study of The Scriptures tell you about Irenaeus?
Bill

 

[Guojing]

Nope...that is a totally different issue.

Repentance, baptism and compliance with God's commandments..."until the end"......
We are ..."born again"...while on this earth. How can anyone say that they are...saved...while on this earth.
Remember scriptures.....'it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgement"......
Further,...ed .....(saved) means history, sealed in concrete, forever, etc. That would usurpt God's plan to judge and award eternal salvation....I doubt He appreciates that.

Ahh I see where you learn all these from.

Have you tried to read Paul's letters to the Body of Christ for your salvation doctrine instead, since he calls himself "your apostle"?

 

[Guojing]

1 John 5:13, KJV: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God

You can know that you are saved/have eternal life right now.

That may be true but John will not say one cannot lose that eternal life later, for example 1 John 3:15.

 

[Peterlag]

Well Irenaeus is Catholic like Peter was the first Pope .
Ok about the bold what does study of The Scriptures tell you about Irenaeus?
Bill

I mentioned Irenaeus to someone else to show he was a Catholic living in the second century that shows Catholics were here at that time and so was the pope who met with Irenaeus. Peter was not the first pope. You seem to have a context problem.

 

[Lafftur]

Galatians 5:1-4
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

We will fall from the understanding of the grace that is in Christ, and succumb to the doctrines and theories that are dictated by human conception if we seek justification by our own works. The concision was from those who taught circumcision was necessary for salvation. Circumcision is a work of the flesh required by the Old Testament Law, and by the way so is water baptism, which is a carryover from part of the Levitical Law.

There are many examples of people in the Old Testament who would wash themselves with water as a final step to being clean. Water baptism was an outward sign of washing, and then you would be clean to God. Baptism in water, and the need to be circumcised passed away with the coming of Pentecost, as did the other Levitical Laws. To be led by the spirit is to not be under the yoke of bondage with the extreme of legalism, seeking the works of the flesh from the old covenant concerning the past Law administration that was written to Israel.

It's clear from the gospels that water baptism had to do with the kingdom, which was ministered by John who was known as the Baptizer, and not a minister for the Church of God. John who was a prophet functioning under the old covenant was appointed by God to prepare and confirm the promises made to Israel. His message was to tell those who lived under the old covenant that the king had come and “the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

He used water as a sign to baptize those who believed the promised Messiah would be coming in just a matter of months and to illustrate that he would be the Christ, who would baptize them not with material water, but with holy spirit, which is “power from on high.” From the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards.

In the epistles written just a little bit past the beginning of the New Testament is where we read the only time water baptism is mentioned is to note there is no more need for it, and that we are now to be baptized with holy spirit. And this is why in Acts 2:38, Peter commands “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ.” In Acts 8:16, Peter and John “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” In Acts 10:48, Peter “commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” In Romans 6:3, it declares “that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ.”

There is not one exception to this practice where we see water baptism, which belonged to the time period when Christ walked the earth, being used once the Church of God had become established. To suggest water baptism has anything to do with the only begotten resurrected Son of God, who is functioning within the New Testament as the head of the body of Christ, has led to nothing but confusion and has provided a bomb that has blown the local churches into pieces.

Oh Peter, there you go again....

Didn’t the Ethiopian eunuch ask Philip to WATER baptize him?

 

[Lanolin]

lets ambush Peter with water bombs and get him wet everyone.

 

[Hevosmies]

Is taking Communion mandatory to be saved?

If you refuse communion its the same story as with water baptism. Guaranteed no regeneration has not taken place.

 

[Hevosmies]

Is water baptism a work to you?

Ive been around the block long enough to know thats a trick question. If I say yes, then its "we're not saved by works"

Look, water baptism is not heroin withdrawal. It takes no effort whatsoever and is easy to perform. If people refuse that, that proves they are not saved.

Just as it was in the days of John the Baptist:

Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

 

[Guojing]

Ive been around the block long enough to know thats a trick question. If I say yes, then its "we're not saved by works"

Look, water baptism is not heroin withdrawal. It takes no effort whatsoever and is easy to perform. If people refuse that, that proves they are not saved.

Just as it was in the days of John the Baptist:

Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

I agree with you water baptism is very easy to perform, as I already mentioned to posthuman.

But you do agree that water baptism is something Man do right?

 

[Hevosmies]

Oh Peter, there you go again....

Didn’t the Ethiopian eunuch ask Philip to WATER baptize him?

He sure did, but some of these folks dont like to be disturbed with facts! I promise there is a spirit behind all this. Its like the Jehovah's falsewitnesses, we know from history that Jesus was crucified, on a CROSS, the Bible talks about the CROSS, yet for some reason this clear historical and biblical fact just cant be accepted by them and they keep going on and on about how it wasnt a cross. Its really important. Its that spirit behind it, I believe.

 

[Guojing]

Ive been around the block long enough to know thats a trick question. If I say yes, then its "we're not saved by works"

Look, water baptism is not heroin withdrawal. It takes no effort whatsoever and is easy to perform. If people refuse that, that proves they are not saved.

Just as it was in the days of John the Baptist:

Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

And if you truly believe in your doctrine, then have the confidence to state that you believe salvation also requires a work than Man must do, in this case water baptism.

I always respect people who are clear in the implications of their doctrine, even though I do not agree with them.

 

[Hevosmies]

And if you truly believe in your doctrine, then have the confidence to state that you believe salvation also requires a work than Man must do, in this case water baptism.

I always respect people who are clear in the implications of their doctrine, even though I do not agree with them.

I love you bro

This is why I said it was a trick question, ive been around the block before you see.

What I believe is this: God gives man a new heart, and that new heart will then result in new actions, one of them is the want to be baptized and draw close to God.

Its the reformed understanding, If you read the baptist confession of 1689, thats pretty much what I believe in short.

 

[Guojing]

I love you bro

This is why I said it was a trick question, ive been around the block before you see.

What I believe is this: God gives man a new heart, and that new heart will then result in new actions, one of them is the want to be baptized and draw close to God.

Its the reformed understanding, If you read the baptist confession of 1689, thats pretty much what I believe in short.

Yes, many churches, other than reformed ones, also believe water baptism is necessary for salvation.

The appeal of "just do it to play safe, after all it does not really cost you much" is a very understandable view.