"The Kingdom" vs "The Body Of Christ"
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Luke 1 had Zechariah telling us what Israel was expecting from the Kingdom of heaven
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
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My post is from the Word, albeit in my own paraphrase with understanding. Please, by all means share with all the exact description you have been given by the spirit.
I know when the Holy Spirit entered into me, everything became the brightest of light and It entered into me with the message that all is going to be just fine. No image of what our Father has awaiting me though. Please let us all know your detailed understanding of the Kingdom
I know when the Holy Spirit entered into me, everything became the brightest of light and It entered into me with the message that all is going to be just fine. No image of what our Father has awaiting me though. Please let us all know your detailed understanding of the Kingdom
what about:
saved by grace through only
Ephesians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It doesn't mention the power of the cross.....
1 Corinthians 1:18 [Full Chapter]
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
But the most important thing is that it doesn't mention:
The Body of Christ and the people who are members; Jesus is the head.
saved by grace through only
Ephesians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It doesn't mention the power of the cross.....
1 Corinthians 1:18 [Full Chapter]
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
But the most important thing is that it doesn't mention:
The Body of Christ and the people who are members; Jesus is the head.
That is fine and good
But at least He should mentions that at present time we are in the period of Salvation by Grace through faith. Is this supposed to be a secret. Are we not supposed to proclaim this.
Was not the Covenant era itself a dispensation. ..
..............Did God give the Jews instructions (dispensation) on how to worship: instructions were dispensed
If People want to adhere to the covenant promises made to the Jews it is their prerogative.
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But at least He should mentions that at present time we are in the period of Salvation by Grace through faith. Is this supposed to be a secret. Are we not supposed to proclaim this.
Was not the Covenant era itself a dispensation. ..
..............Did God give the Jews instructions (dispensation) on how to worship: instructions were dispensed
If People want to adhere to the covenant promises made to the Jews it is their prerogative.
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S
I don't think you have read the book. You can read about covenants in the Bible and understand what the scriptures say about them and interpret the meaning of the covenants without embracing all of the ideas under the heading of "covenant theology" Not everyone is in one category or the other and it is naive to think so.
I believe in salvation by faith in Jesus Christ and what he accomplished for us. So does George Eldon Ladd. As a matter of fact I don't know anyone who believes in salvation by earning it, by the works of the Law or any other method. Seems to be alot of people trying to preach to Jewish Pharisees today and I wish they would go over to Israel and win some, or maybe go into the Areas of New York City where the orthodox Jews are trying to earn their righteousness and preach to them. There are way too many people in the chatrooms and on forums trying to preach like Paul to Jews who were wanting to convince the gentiles that they need to observe the Law also. Most of the people on these threads already understand that we can't earn our salvation, but we have self proclaimed teachers who want to hammer that truth all day long to an audience that already understands it. Seems like they would try and find some Jews or someone to explain it to.
I believe in salvation by faith in Jesus Christ and what he accomplished for us. So does George Eldon Ladd. As a matter of fact I don't know anyone who believes in salvation by earning it, by the works of the Law or any other method. Seems to be alot of people trying to preach to Jewish Pharisees today and I wish they would go over to Israel and win some, or maybe go into the Areas of New York City where the orthodox Jews are trying to earn their righteousness and preach to them. There are way too many people in the chatrooms and on forums trying to preach like Paul to Jews who were wanting to convince the gentiles that they need to observe the Law also. Most of the people on these threads already understand that we can't earn our salvation, but we have self proclaimed teachers who want to hammer that truth all day long to an audience that already understands it. Seems like they would try and find some Jews or someone to explain it to.
You're just being beligerent and making things up. I don't want to play with you anymore. 
"Not at all." People are offended when they hear truth.
The covenant, the Law is no longer in affect.
Peter said:
Acts 3:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Paul refuted, showing Christian do not need the Covenant of the Jews.
Ephesians 2:
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision
Romans 15:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision
for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness
the saving grace came after the resurrection; the Perfect Sacrifice.
"and making things up" .......... which passage is made up
Did I make up the scriptures I presented. here are more:
Do you teach Kingdom covenant or do you teach being save by grace through faith only
Romans 7:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
saved by grace through only
Ephesians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
It doesn't mention the power of the cross.....
1 Corinthians 1:18 [Full Chapter]
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
But the most important thing is that it doesn't mention:
The Body of Christ and the people who are members; Jesus is the head.
Christians are the body of Christ
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Let me apologies if I'm the one who is mistaking your intent.
but If People want to adhere to the covenant promises made to the Jews it is their prerogative.
I skimmed through the pages; not finding much about salvation by grace through faith.
It's true most preacher embrace these thoughts in this book.
I admit some try to mix O.T Covenants meant for the Jews with Grace; it doesn't work you can't mix the 2.
this is why we must rightly dividing the Word of Truth
2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
God Bless
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It's true most preacher embrace these thoughts in this book.
I admit some try to mix O.T Covenants meant for the Jews with Grace; it doesn't work you can't mix the 2.
this is why we must rightly dividing the Word of Truth
2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
God Bless
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S
My intent was to suggest a really good book about the subject on The Kingdom of God. Especially since the bible says so much about it, to understand it requires reading all the scriptures on the subject.
As to the Body of Christ being the Kingdom of God, this is true and yet those who have been saved by faith before the Cross and the birth of the church are also part of the Kingdom of God.
It is also true that we enter into it now, by faith and also there is more to come in the future as to the inheritance and rewards stored up for us, as well as a fulfillment of a 1000 year reign on earth with Christ and after that a New Heaven and a New Earth.
The Bible says a lot about the Kingdom of God and many have taught different things about it because of isolating select scriptures about the Kingdom of God/Heave without reconciling other scriptures about the Kingdom of God / Heaven has caused confusion in peoples minds as to what the Bible teaches. Therefore reading a book like this one will answer many questions that people have on the topic and enable them to explain it to others who will ask them about it. It is not a strange teaching, it is just plain solid hermeneutics. You won't get "tainted" LOL don't be scared.
The Church and it's place in the Kingdom of God in the right now is definitely discussed. The right now aspects of the Kingdom, Rule and reign of the King Jesus Christ is a major part of the discussion.
As to the Body of Christ being the Kingdom of God, this is true and yet those who have been saved by faith before the Cross and the birth of the church are also part of the Kingdom of God.
It is also true that we enter into it now, by faith and also there is more to come in the future as to the inheritance and rewards stored up for us, as well as a fulfillment of a 1000 year reign on earth with Christ and after that a New Heaven and a New Earth.
The Bible says a lot about the Kingdom of God and many have taught different things about it because of isolating select scriptures about the Kingdom of God/Heave without reconciling other scriptures about the Kingdom of God / Heaven has caused confusion in peoples minds as to what the Bible teaches. Therefore reading a book like this one will answer many questions that people have on the topic and enable them to explain it to others who will ask them about it. It is not a strange teaching, it is just plain solid hermeneutics. You won't get "tainted" LOL don't be scared.
The Church and it's place in the Kingdom of God in the right now is definitely discussed. The right now aspects of the Kingdom, Rule and reign of the King Jesus Christ is a major part of the discussion.